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July 14, 2017, 18:58
Greg S
The dis- game
quote:
OFF OF - You don't jump, or break OFF OF something, you simply jump or break OFF it. How did this even creep into American English and eventually become accepted as the norm, it makes zero sense grammatically??

"OFF FROM" I could get used to, and maybe it wouldn't even make me angry, at least there would be some logic behind its usage, but "OFF OF" is complete and utter BS. Annoys me even more than "would of", "should of" & "could of".


Regards Greg
July 14, 2017, 19:11
Greg S
devoid - make whole, valid or full again
devote - tear up your ballot paper, OR (surely this one will make some of you laugh) Add another Limerick to the Poll!


Regards Greg
July 15, 2017, 10:31
Geoff
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Greg S:


AUNT[b] - My mother's sister is not an insect (ANT), she should be my AWNT by the spelling, but in Australia and probably England (where the language oddly enough actually comes from) she is our [b]ARNT The pronunciation of "aunt" is regional in the USA. Some say, "ahnt," some say "ant," as you know, and many say, "tia" until they learn Amerracun.

ALUMINIUM - Why do Americans think the 2nd "I" is silent - IT ISN'T[/b] We spell it differently, and pronounce is differently as a result It's "aluminum" to us, but my late ex-father-in-law said, "aLOONYum" Confused

NUCLEAR - How the F... do Americans turn this into NUCULAR - it defies comprehension[/b]

Agreed. Only the most erudite seem to get it right, with one exception: Me.
July 15, 2017, 18:20
Proofreader
deceit: remove from office
denoted: blank sheet music


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
July 16, 2017, 17:36
Geoff
DENY Leave Manhattan or tell Bill the Science Guy he's wrong.

DECANTER Slow the horse to a walk

DERELICT Proved it's not an ancient artifact

That reminds me of how scientists have found various gases in ancient glacial ice, including methane. Does that make it a fartifact?
July 21, 2017, 19:18
bethree5
quote:
Originally posted by Greg S:

AUNT - My mother's sister is not an insect (ANT), she should be my AWNT by the spelling, but in Australia and probably England (where the language oddly enough actually comes from) she is our ARNT In New England, it's "ahnt"

ALUMINIUM - Why do Americans think the 2nd "I" is silent - IT ISN'T. Silly, there is no second i in aluminum.

NUCLEAR - How the F... do Americans turn this into NUCULAR - it defies comprehension. My theory: Americans in some regional dialects just find "cl" impossible to pronounc, so they re-insert a nearby vowel. Kind of like the way so many Spanish words ended up w/a functionless "e" in front of the "s" that starts other Latin-dialect words [echoed in French w/"é"]. Something to do w/the habitual mouth-position in the dialect.

OFF OF - You don't jump, or break OFF OF something, you simply jump or break OFF it. How did this even creep into American English and eventually become accepted as the norm, it makes zero sense grammatically?? Agree! Corollary: now that millenniels haved decided "based on" should be replaced by "based off" (ear-grating), we have the charming "based off of"! (Ear-shredding)

There are many more but they're the 4 that really make my blood boil. Please excuse my rant, but I really would love to know how these came to be accepted as not only the norm, but accepted as "CORRECT"??

July 23, 2017, 02:25
Greg S
Thanks Geoff & Bethree for your feedback. I knew they had changed the spelling of a lot of words in the US (eg. dropping the U from words like colour and favour), but never realised that they had also changed the spelling of one of Elements of the Periodic Table? I guess I'll have to forgive them for pronouncing it the way they spell it, but now I am intrigued - did they drop the I preceding the UM, in the other 50+ elements that end in -IUM (Like barium, radium, uranium, plutonium etc)? If not, why not, and why then change the spelling of Aluminium only?

And as for "based off of" that is most definitely ear-shredding, reminds me of another one I came across recently - "mightn't of".

I was kind of hoping one of you might have told me that NUCULAR was just a George-W-ism, and that most of the rest of America pronounces it properly.


Regards Greg
July 23, 2017, 06:06
Proofreader
quote:
I was kind of hoping one of you might have told me that NUCULAR was just a George-W-ism, and that most of the rest of America pronounces it properly

I think it's Southern regional. President Carter was a leading exponent of that pron, and he served on a nuclear sub.

In my many years here I beiieve I ca count on my fingers the tines anyone used "mightn't" and none with "of" appended. Others may vary.


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
July 24, 2017, 01:03
Greg S
quote:
"mightn't" and none with "of" appended

I would actually be quite surprised if you haven't heard it, unless you don't have much interaction with young folk these days. When they say it they are trying to say, "might not have" which they think is "might not of".


Regards Greg
July 24, 2017, 05:41
Proofreader
quote:
"mightn't" and none with "of" appended

I would actually be quite surprised if you haven't heard it, unless you don't have much interaction with young folk these days. When they say it they are trying to say, "might not have" which they think is "might not of".

Of course you are part of UK.
Kids here are likely to say "may not have" or "may not of".


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
July 25, 2017, 14:40
Geoff
I suspect that "of" is originally a mondegreen of "might've" that became accepted as correct by many.
July 25, 2017, 15:21
Proofreader
quote:
I suspect that "of" is originally a mondegreen

Mondegreens are great in a Caesar salad.


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
July 26, 2017, 09:01
Proofreader
Is the Iberian peninsular where animals go to ibernate?

What celebrity worked in a bank? Teller Savalas.

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Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
July 27, 2017, 10:43
Geoff
quote:
Originally posted by Proofreader:

Mondegreens are great in a Caesar salad.

But never on sundaes.
August 07, 2017, 11:25
Proofreader
disrupt: a volcano collapses


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
August 09, 2017, 11:04
Proofreader
Disraeli: an ati-Semite


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
August 13, 2017, 05:41
Proofreader
dapple: that fruit


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
August 13, 2017, 16:14
Geoff
quote:
Originally posted by Proofreader:
Disraeli: an ati-Semite
Huh? Disraeli was Jewish. He didn't want to admit it, though.
August 14, 2017, 08:41
Proofreader
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Proofreader:
Disraeli: an ati-Semite
Huh? Disraeli was Jewish. He didn't want to admit it, though.

I should have made it l/c D, to make it generic. I didn't intend to specifically refer to Ben (as only his friends referred to him).


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
August 27, 2017, 14:30
Proofreader
From comedian/actor/writer Phil Proctor's newsletter:

DAFFYNITIONS

CHICKENS … The only animal you eat before they are born and after they are dead.
COMMITTEE … A body that keeps minutes and wastes
hours.
DUST … Mud with the juice squeezed out.
EGOTIST … Someone who is usually me-deep in
conversation.
HANDKERCHIEF… Cold Storage.
INFLATION… Cutting money in half without
damaging the paper.
MOSQUITO… An insect that makes you like flies
better.
RAISIN… A grape with a sunburn.
SECRET… A story you tell to one person at a time.
SKELETON… A bunch of bones with the person
scraped off.
TOOTHACHE… The pain that drives you to
extraction.
TOMORROW… One of the greatest labor saving
devices of today.
YAWN… An honest opinion openly expressed.
WRINKLES… Something other people have, similar to your character lines.


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
September 01, 2017, 20:27
Proofreader
Heard a funny one on TV:

A logarthym: Lumberjack birth control

Also:

Best birth control: An hour with the kids before bed


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
September 27, 2017, 12:30
Proofreader
Slighly off-point but it must be said:

Toro Snowblower: a cross between a bull and a gay Eskimo


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
October 03, 2017, 16:32
Proofreader
Learned a new word today:

Nillionaire: Someone either very broke or excessively in debt.


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
October 04, 2017, 06:19
bethree5
quote:
Originally posted by Proofreader:
Slighly off-point but it must be said:

Toro Snowblower: a cross between a bull and a gay Eskimo
Eek Big Grin
October 04, 2017, 06:23
bethree5
quote:
Originally posted by Proofreader:
Learned a new word today:

Nillionaire: Someone either very broke or excessively in debt.

Nice! I'm a member of the nilitary, as I favor deep cuts to the defense budget... And I never wear hats, I'm a nilliner.
October 04, 2017, 06:26
bethree5
Wiki says "It was discovered that Millennials... are less likely to strongly identify with the generational term... with only 40% of those born between 1981 and 1997 identifying as part of the Millennial Generation."
Guess they're Nillennials.
October 04, 2017, 15:17
Proofreader
Good news fr older male patients....the're now given large doses of Viagra to prevent them from rolling out of bed...or perhaps for use as a handle to turn them over.


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
October 11, 2017, 15:18
Proofreader
coitus interruptus: Peetering on the brink.


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.
October 28, 2017, 17:28
haberdasher
Or perhaps the autological

COITUS INTERRUPTUS - fornicatio
October 29, 2017, 14:02
Geoff
DISSIPATE Lost one's head

I was worried about the possibliity of Haberdasherus interruptus! Where' ya been Hab? You ignored my non-place name, non- poll limerick round - and I missed having a limerick from you!
November 05, 2017, 09:39
haberdasher
MYSTIFIED - had a spat with a young lady; refused to do as she instructed
November 08, 2017, 16:17
Proofreader
Feuhrious: Hitlers pissed


Give a man a fish and he can eat for one day; give a man a fishing pole and he will find an excuse to never work again.
Nollidj is power.