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March 16, 2017, 08:28
bethree5
The Comma Goes to Court
http://fortune.com/2017/03/16/...-court-case-grammar/
March 16, 2017, 11:36
sattva
Interesting!
March 18, 2017, 21:20
Kalleh
I've always been an advocate of the Oxford comma, but our editors frown on our using it. They usually win, though this might be good evidence to convince them otherwise. Wink
March 20, 2017, 16:09
goofy
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=31653

The Oxford comma doesn't always resolve ambiguity. Wikipedia gives this real example:

"By train, plane and sedan chair, Peter Ustinov retraces a journey made by Mark Twain a century ago. The highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."

An Oxford comma in the second sentence would not resolve the ambiguity about whether the encounters involved 2 people or 3 people.

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March 20, 2017, 21:17
Kalleh
I'd think with the Oxford comma, it would be three, but without - two. Then again, recall that I am a literalist. This seems very black or white to me, but I am sure it doesn't to others.
March 21, 2017, 04:22
goofy
quote:
The highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod, and a dildo collector."


This is ambiguous because "an 800-year-old demigod" can be interpreted as an appositive describing Mandela. Or it can be interpreted as another item in the list. Mandela is not a dildo collector, but he might still be a demigod.
March 21, 2017, 05:23
Geoff
Who might imagine Mandela to be 800 years old? Logic tells me that there were two people; three would be impossible - unless one were long dead.
It does suggest that there are many frustrated women somewhere along his journey.

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March 21, 2017, 05:49
goofy
Here's a better example (better because we can't use real world knowledge to resolve the ambiguity)
quote:
They went to Oregon with Betty, a maid, and a cook.


Are there 2 people: a maid named Betty and a cook. Or are there 3 people.
March 21, 2017, 09:38
Geoff
Condisering how overpopulated Oregon has become, it must be three. However, I concede that this is a good example for general purposes.
March 21, 2017, 16:28
bethree5
quote:
...an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector...

I suspect that habit accounts for his having only attained demigod status.
March 21, 2017, 21:45
BobHale
Or perhaps one? Betty who is both a maid and a cook.


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