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Yep, Geoff. Good point! It always has amazed me that insurance companies fund Viagra, but not contraceptives.

Sattva, I loved your article about the Queen taking our country back. I'll take it! Wink

I am just so irritated right now at our political system that it's good to be able to vent here. You really can't do that on FB, and while I vent in my Tweets, nobody reads them. So thanks for tolerating me, WC friends!
 
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My only requirements Kalleh, is that crumpets must be available in every grocery store, we must have unlimited access to all BBC shows, especially sitcoms, civility must be the rule, and those of us who like them must have access to cheap replicas of the queen's hats.


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The PBS station in Indianapolis runs several British sitcoms and dramas. The local PBS station in Muncie runs a couple that the other station does not, so we've got quite a lot of British programming here.

Viagra is a corporate plot to keep men stupid. When the blood's in the penis it's drained from the brain. As proof I submit that partial strangulation promotes orgasm. When oxygen-deprived, one's brain misfires, producing pleasure. So, keep 'em stiff and stupid and you can manipulate them at will. Big Grin
 
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That is a great analysis, Geoff! Keep 'em stiff and stupid - I love it. And we know who personifies that. Wink
 
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Found on-line: Feces could be the fuel of the future, scientists say

It's already fueling our political system, so why not? Besides, many low-impact people use cow chip fuel, so it's nothing new.
 
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Somehow, it just doesn't sound make me feel good having my house heated with feces. Eek
 
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Synopsis of a coming TV show:

"After osing hundreds of pounds, a popular teacher goes missing."

Shouldn't she have been warned about the consequences of severe anrexia?


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That's one way to do it!

From a San Diego TV station web site: Fla. Woman Accused of Shooting at Guests Who Stayed Too Long
 
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Fla. Woman Accused of Shooting at Guests Who Stayed Too Long

I could have done that yesterday.


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Here's one from the Muncie paper whose meaning is clear, but: Police: Serial flasher, 84, strikes in Muncie

Are they going to charge him with assault with a dead weapon? Confused
 
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Doesn't it seem like "flashers" are a thing of the past? Of course, he is 84.
 
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From The Detroit News: Repeal of the Affordable Care Act would affect hundreds of thousands of Michiganians and must not be allowed to proceed, former presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, a Democratic congressional leader and many of Michigan’s Democratic congressional delegation..."

I thought Michigan residents were called "Michiganders." Is this not so? And since when is Bernie Sanders a Democrat? Is this some of T. Rump's fake news?
 
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Sanders ran as a Democrat against Clinton, so I'd surely call him that. Indeed, he's one of the reasons we have our lovely new president-elect so I am hardly a fan of his.
 
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It seems they use both, though I prefer Michiganders.
 
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From Fox "news" via Google news:

British group: To avoid offending patients, don't use term 'expectant mother'

So, shall we just say, "knocked up," or what? Roll Eyes
 
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From Fox "news" via Google news:

British group: To avoid offending patients, don't use term 'expectant mother'


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http://www.foxnews.com/health/...xpectant-mother.html

"A prominent association representing medical professionals in Great Britain has asked its staff not to use the term “expectant mother” to avoid offending transgender and intersex patients"

It makes sense to me. That is assuming that it is true - there is no link to the booklet anywhere in the article.
 
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I don't see how "expectant mother" offends anyone but an unwilling father. When a female is pregnant, does she not expect to give birth, thus becoming a mother? If a trans person adopts, said person is still a mother or father, albeit not by birth. If the trans person is offended by people reproducing sexually, they're got a BIG problem!

What am I missing?
 
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A female-to-male transgender person could get pregnant but object to be called a mother because they are male.

Also consider a person who is pregnant but doesn't want to be a mother - i.e. they will get an abortion.
 
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I don't know. Isn't this taking political correctness to the point of absurdity? Or maybe I'm just too old to get it nowadays.
 
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political correctness


I hate this term. If someone is offended by the language I use, then they tell me, and I don't use that language. It's just common politeness. What's wrong with treating people with dignity?

I found the brochure, and they do recommend "pregnant people" instead of "expectant mother".

https://www.bma.org.uk/-/media...mmunication-2016.pdf
 
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political correctness

I hate this term... It's just common politeness. What's wrong with treating people with dignity?
Absolutely nothing.

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I found the brochure, and they do recommend "pregnant people" instead of "expectant mother".

OK, that's a reasonable solution, I feel.
 
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they do recommend "pregnant people" instead of "expectant mother".

That is patently ridiculous and a prime example of political correctness People, which means all persons, cannot all be expectant since half would be male ad most having no connection to the child-bearer. If a transgender person is pregnant, that pretty much rules out their claim to being the altwernate sex. Anyone pregnant is at the least a mother-to-be.


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So Proofreader, if you worked someplace that dealt with pregnancy, and a pregnant transgender man asked that you not refer to him as a mother, would you say "No, my dislike of political correctness trumps respecting your wishes"?
 
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I'd say to him/her the fact you're pregnant negates the claim you're transgender ansd you can't redefine the word mother to suit your limited purpose


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Carl Jung thought that gender was phychologically a matter of degree, saying that "anima," the feminine principle, was present in all men, and "animus," the male principle was present in all women. This seems likely to me, but it in no way negates biological sex. It does presage current realization that some folks are physically one way but psychologically the other way.

Are we therefore to say, "pregnant father?" Nah. But then I'm one of those old fuddy-duddys who write "his or her" instead of "their."
 
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if you worked someplace that dealt with pregnancy, and a pregnant transgender man

Isn't that example a bit ludicrous? Never gonna happen, at least with a transgender person who takes the hormones, has the surgery, etc. Too hypothetical.

I do think we had been going too far toward political correctness, and that may be why we've had the horrible push-back here in the U.S. (with our new president). Now, of course, we're back to where we were in the beginning.
 
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if you worked someplace that dealt with pregnancy, and a pregnant transgender man

Isn't that example a bit ludicrous? Never gonna happen, at least with a transgender person who takes the hormones, has the surgery, etc. Too hypothetical.


Not at all. There are transgender people who don't take hormones or have any surgery. That's why we have books like this one that explain pregnancy in a gender-neutral way.
https://www.autostraddle.com/c...-neutral-way-183022/
 
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Not a headline, but the lead sentence from Fox alternative truth:

Wednesday marks the 14th anniversary of the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster, in which seven astronauts lost their lives as the craft broke up during reentry on February 1, 2003.

There's a major error in it. Who remembers?
 
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during reentry


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I don't know why, but I was thinking a different number and actually, I just listened to this in a book the other day. I was thinking it was eight people, and wasn't one a teacher? I am probably wrong though.


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One was a teacher, and, as Proof noted, it was on launch that it exploded. Musta been written by a kid.
 
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Sorry, Geoff. We were both wrong. Columbia did break up on reentry. Challenger was the one that exploded.


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Not at all. There are transgender people who don't take hormones or have any surgery. That's why we have books like this one that explain pregnancy in a gender-neutral way.
https://www.autostraddle.com/c...-neutral-way-183022/
I am not naive and of course I realize all families aren't the heteronormative models. And I suppose some transgender people have babies before changing their gender or maybe some don't actually change their gender, but just feel like the opposite gender (much like gays who don't come out and stay married to their heterosexual partner, even though they are still gay). However, a (I hesitate to use the word "real," given the sensitivity of the subject) transgender who actually becomes a member of the other gender will not be able to become pregnant, nor is it likely they'd want to. I hope this sounds coherent!
 
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Yes it is coherent but it doesn't change what I said. My biological sex, how I identify, and how I present myself are different things.

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That would be your problem, not society's. You can't expect everyone around you to perform based on how you feel at any particular moment.


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Sorry, Geoff. We were both wrong. Columbia did break up on reentry. Challenger was the one that exploded.

OOPS! Red Face Red Face Red Face I'm an idiot!
 
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That would be your problem, not society's. You can't expect everyone around you to perform based on how you feel at any particular moment.


It has nothing to do with how I feel at a particular moment. Say I was born female, but I consider myself a man and am treated like a man. Why is my anatomy anyone's business but mine and my doctor's?

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Why is my anatomy anyone's business but mine and my doctor's?

Weren't we discussing how people want to be considered, despite evidence to the contrary?


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Weren't we discussing how people want to be considered, despite evidence to the contrary?


So just to be clear: you would call a transgender man "he" until he was obviously pregnant, and then, in defiance of his wishes, you would call him "she" (or expectant mother if you like), and then once he was no longer pregnant, you would call him "he" again?
Or imagine the same scenario with a person who doesn't want to be identified with either gender.
 
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Certainly. The "he" vs "she" is semantics while pregnancy obviates the choice. Am I supposed to call a pregnant "male" [i]he[/i just because he/she wants to flout a physical truth? Any "male" who is pregnant never was one except perhaps mentally. And I can't at present read minds.


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It's got nothing to do with reading minds.It's about treating people with dignity. If the person doesn't tell you, then use whatever pronoun you want. But if they tell you how they want to be addressed and you ignore their wishes, well, I'll call that non-cooperative communication. Gender is not biological sex.

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It's got nothing to do with reading minds.It's about treating people with dignity. If the person doesn't tell you, then use whatever pronoun you want. But if they tell you how they want to be addressed and you ignore their wishes, well, I'll call that non-cooperative communication. Gender is not biological sex.
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I agree with you, too, goofy, but I also think there needs to be consideration on both sides. That seems the opposite of your reply to me above about the "coherent" discussion.

Oh, well. I guess those of us in the U.S. (Not sure what to call us anymore as I am told "citizens" and "Americans" are politically incorrect) are often seen in a bad light. I sure hope that will change when the administration changes in four years (hopefully).
 
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Based on DJTs interview w/O'Reilly, I'd say he prefers "Comrade."


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This was on an AP news site. Who is missing?

Man charged with killing Georgia teacher missing since 2005


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However, a (I hesitate to use the word "real," given the sensitivity of the subject) transgender who actually becomes a member of the other gender will not be able to become pregnant, nor is it likely they'd want to. I hope this sounds coherent!


I understand it, but I don't agree. There are men who become pregnant, otherwise we wouldn't need books like this. Maybe they don't have surgery because the technology is not good enough, maybe they have other reasons, it's none of my business.
 
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This was on an AP news site. Who is missing?

Man charged with killing Georgia teacher missing since 2005


I guess it's the man because that's who the story is presumably about.
 
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I guess it's the man because that's who the story is presumably about.

That's whats wrong. The victim has been missing.


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understand it, but I don't agree. There are men who become pregnant, otherwise we wouldn't need books like this.

Source for this miraculous feat, please.


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Source for this miraculous feat, please.


I think you know what I mean.

"Silverberg was inspired to write the book for a trans* friend who was having trouble explaining to his four-year-old son how their family came to be."

https://www.autostraddle.com/c...-neutral-way-183022/
 
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