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Richard has kindly offered to take over the job of posting the list of words with limericks, and he has added the international dates. See below.
Thanks, Richard!  This message has been edited. Last edited by: Kalleh, |
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WOW! Kalleh... good job! (That's my teacher training showing)
This is impressive... CJ... Look what you have created! It's stupendous! |
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Indeed it is. Well done Kalleh!
Two small suggestions. 1. Could we have a running total of the numbers of words dealt with? Kalleh, if you compile this list in a Word table that will automatically give the the number of words and will sort them into alphabetical order as well. Then simply copy and paste into your posting. PT me if you need help with this. 2. It's a small point but, in this international project, would it be as well to use the international date system (day/month/year), rather than the system of (month/day/year) used only in the USA? Or to avoid any confusion at all, use the full international notation system - 05 Jun 2004 rather than the ambiguous 6/5/04 or 5/6/04? Richard English |
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Quote "...I suppose, however, I could change it to 5 Jun 04...."
I genuinely think that this would be better since confusion could otherwise reign with 15% of the world's population getting confused when 05 Jun is written as 5/6/04 - even though the other 85% of the world's population would write it that way:-) Richard English |
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Even though it will take a fair amount of time to make the change, I also would opt for the 2-digit day/3-letter month/2-digit year method. The increased clarity would seem worth it. And besides, Kalleh, I hear from Shufitz that you sit around the house all day watching soap operas and eating bon-bons anyway. (...I assume you realize I'm joking there.)
Another possible suggestion: Several of the words listed have already been covered more than once but you list only the first instance in each case. With "abhor," for example, including your recent piece which primarily covered the word "abortion," we now have three limericks for "abhor." (And, frankly, I like them all!) I'll update my list and PM any differences between the two of them within the next couple of days. Thanks again for all your hard work. |
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Richard prefers "the international date system (day/month/year), rather than the system of (month/day/year) used only in the USA?"
Only here? I don't think so, friend. Here's how some recent English-language articles, in the international press, were dated in their on-line versions.
Toronto Star, Canada: "Jun. 17, 2004" People's Daily, China: "June 23, 2004" Financial Express, India: "Wednesday, June 23, 2004" Jakarta Post, Indonesia: "June 23, 2004" Interntational Herald Tribune: "Monday, June 21, 2004" Ha'aretz, Israel: "June 23, 2004" Agenzia Giornalistica Italia, Italy: "June 21" The Japan Times: "Wednesday, June 23, 2004" Lebanon Daily Star: "Wednesday, June 23, 2004" The Star, Malaysia: "Tuesday June 22, 2004" Pakistan Daily Times: "June 23, 2004" Manila Times, Philipines: "Tuesday, June 22, 2004" Reuters: "Tue Jun 22, 2004" (sometimes Reuters goes the other way) The Moscow Times, Russia: "June 8, 2004." Singapore Straits Times: "JUNE 23, 2004 WED" This message has been edited. Last edited by: shufitz, |
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Quote "...the pattern outside the UK and US seems to favor the US usage..."
Not so. I have noted, too, that this is very common in online items (not just newspapers) and this is simply explained. Most use US operating systems and software and the defaults are (surprise, surprise) US standards. The default for websites is the US system and has to be consciously re-set. This is similar to the fact that, because most people use Windows software, most computers use US spelling in all their built-in facilities (it can't be changed, incidentally). That is not proof that the world prefers US spelling, just that Bill Gates does. Although many newspapers and other media will sometimes copy the US system in specific articles (usually through lazyness and, of course, the common adoption of the special case of 9/11 to refer to the events of 11 September) the US useage is not internationally agreed. A casual copy of an online article proves nothing; the defining proof is how the editor of the journal shows dates in the PRINTED copy his own creations - the date on the masthead of the copy of the paper, for example. In travel and tourism, the world's first and largest global industry, the internationally agreed system prevails and all documents are written this way. Even the US customs and immigration authorities, on the forms that they ask non-residents to complete prior to arrival, say sternly "show the day as dd/mm/yy" That many in the USA choose not to abide by International agreements as to standards of date recording is not really surprising - after all, that is frequently the way of it insofar as many international agreements are concerned! There are many reasons why the international date system should be adopted by all and none at all (apart from US stubborness) as to why the aberrant US system should continue in use. Richard English |
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Quote "...I will try to change the dates, but, personally, I find it rather a waste of time. Just like people remember to drive on the left side of the road in England, they will catch on what the dates mean here..."
As I have said already, it is simply to avoid confusion. Unlike driving, where you know what the rule is because you're in the place where the rule applies, the Internet is universal and confusion can reign if a mix of US and non-US date styles are used. We have a chat on 10/7 - is that 10 July or 07 October? Use the internationally agreed system - day in figures,the month using its first three letters (they're all different for each month) and the year in full. If you can't remember the system, check your next air ticket - that's the way it'll be printed. Richard English |
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Allow me to backtrack, reverse myself, and otherwise do a 180.
On second thought, yes, I agree with you Kalleh that to change things over at this point would be far more work that it would seem to be worth. If, for example, the date "6/7/04" was floating all by itself in some way, I wouldn't want to have to stake my life on it meaning June or July. But with other dates like "6/30/04" and "5/25/04" etc right nearby, anyone who is that easily confused probably has far greater problems than any involved with following the OEDILF. Thanks again, K., for all your hard work. |
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I think it will be a while before ISO 8601 is universally accepted although I note that it's becoming common in computer applications since files thus annotated automatically sort themselves into date order.
So far as I'm aware, the first standardised system was designed by the travel industry (or to be precise, the airlines) and all tickets are (or should be) written dd/month (in English, in full or the first three letters)/yyyy. Today is therefore 25 Jun 2004. 100% unambigious. Sadly, although the travel industry has long ago accepted standardisation of date notation, other people and industries have not done so which results daily in incredible cost and confusion - quite unecessarily. Richard English |
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Quote "...If, for example, the date "6/7/04" was floating all by itself in some way, I wouldn't want to have to stake my life on it meaning June or July..."
But it could well be in a later publication. In a list it's easy - but if someone were later to ask when a particular item was published and received the answer, 12/7/2004 - who will know which date is meant? Ambiguity is indefensible and, furthermore, unecessary. Richard English |
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Hello Kalleh,
Public apology! I am not getting at you nor your excellent work. My moan is at the ambiguity of the mmddyy dating notation used by the USA (and to a lesser extent the ambiguity of the ddmmyy dating system used in the rest of the world - lesser because the split is probably about 20:80 in favour of the rest of the world). The unambiguous dd/month in letters/yyyy would be my preference until the ISO 8601 notation of yyyymmdd becomes a little more common. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Richard English, Richard English |
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I've mentioned that I have great (some might say grandiose) plans for the OEDILF, many of which I haven't yet discussed on this board. It would seem that now is a good time to unveil one of them.
It is my plan to give recognition, in one format or another, to all those who help the OEDILF grow and so it gives me great pleasure to announce: In recognition of her long hours of tireless devotion to maintaining a firm structure upon which OEDILF Contributing Editors may present their work and in further recogniton of her consistently cheerful demeanor throughout times which would reduce lesser individuals to a state of grouchiness, Kalleh is hereby deemed the first recipient of the OEDILF Excellence in Administration Trophy. The informal name for this accolade will be, of course, "The Aardvark Award." Congratulations, Kalleh! |
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Awww, thanks! I humbly accept "The Aardvark Award!"
I will try to limit my grouchiness to PMs!  |
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Quote "...The Aardvark Award..."
Which should, surely, stand for "Administratively Accurate, Reliable, Dedicated, Very Amiable And Really Kind" Richard English |
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Kalleh has suggested that the list would be clearer with a dash between the words and the dates and I obviously agree. Unfortunately the limitations of the worcraft formatting mean that there are only a few options available (for example, there is no facility for having parallel columns but, within those limitations, I hope you will find this accaptable
A — 10 May 2004 Aa — 10 May 2004 Aah — 14 May 2004 Aal — 10 May 2004 Aald — 10 May 2004 Aam — 21 May 2004 Aardvark — 10 May 2004 Aardvark — 24 June 2004 Aardvark — 25 June 2004 Aardvark — 26 June 2004 Aardvark — 26 June 2004 Aardvark — 27 June 2004 Aardvark — 27 June 2004 Aardwolf — 10 May 2004 Aaron — 10 May 2004 Aaron, Hank — 23 May 2004 Aaron’s beard — 10 May 2004 Aaron’s rod — 10 May 2004 Aaronic — Aaronically — 10 May 2004 Aasvogel — 19 June 2004 Ab absurdo — 18 June 2004 Aba — 10 May 2004 Aba — 19 June 2004 Abaca — 10 May 2004 Abacination — 17 May 2004 Abacist — 24 June 2004 Aback — 14 May 2004 Abaction — 11 May 2004 Abaculo — 23 May 2004 Abacus — 17 May 2004 Abaddon — 19 June 2004 Abaft — 14 May 2004 Abalienation — 14 June 2004 Abalone — 14 May 2004 Abampere — 17 May 2004 Abandon — 14 May 2004 Abanet — 18 June 2004 Abase — 24 June 2004 Abash — 14 May 2004 Abasia — 14 May 2004 Abate abating — 14 May 2004 Abatis — 24 June 2004 Abatis — 24 June 2004 Abatis — 24 June 2004 Abattoir — 14 May 2004 Abature — 17 May 2004 Abaxial — 22 May 2004 Abb — 18 May 2004 Abba — 17 May 2004 Abbattoir — 20 June 2004 Abbevillian — 17 May 2004 Abbey lubber — 24 May 2004 Abbot — 14 May 2004 Abbozzo — 20 June 2004 Abbreviation — 17 May 2004 Abc powers — 20 May 2004 ABCs — 18 June 2004 Abdication — 17 May 2004 Abdiction — Abditory — 27 June 2004 Abdomen — 21 May 2004 Abdominous — 14 May 2004 Abducens — 15 May 2004 Abduct — 17 May 2004 Abduct — 18 June 2004 Abdul Jabbar Kareem — 14 May 2004 Abeam — 24 June 2004 Abecedarian — 14 May 2004 Abed — 18 May 2004 Abel — 18 June 2004 Abelard — 23 May 2004 Aberdevine — 26 June 2004 Aberration — 14 May 2004 Abettor — 24 June 2004 Abevacuation — 25 June 2004 Abeyance — 19 May 2004 Abeyance — 24 May 2004 Abhor — 14 May 2004 Abhor — 02 June 2004 Abide — 19 May 2004 Ability — 17 May 2004 Ability — 25 June 2004 Abiogenesis — 23 June 2004 Abiogenesis — 23 June 2004 Abiotic — 20 June 2004 Abjure — 17 May 2004 Ablactation — 18 May 2004 Ablation — 17 May 2004 Ablation — 21 June 2004 Ablaze — 20 June 2004 Able-bodied seaman — 25 June 2004 Abloom — 25 June 2004 Ablution — 25 June 2004 Abnegation — 17 May 2004 Abnormal psychology — 20 May 2004 Abode — Abogado — 21 May 2004 Abolish — 21 May 2004 Abolitionist — 23 June 2004 Abominable — 18 June 2004 Abominable snowman — 21 May 2004 Aborigines — 24 May 2004 Abortion — 21 June 2004 Abound — 24 June 2004 About — 18 May 2004 Above — 16 June 2004 Aboveground — 20 May 2004 Abracadabra — 11 June 2004 Abracadabra — 25 June 2004 Abranciate — 17 May 2004 Abranciate — 18 June 2004 Abrasion — 24 May 2004 Abraxas — 23 June 2004 Abraxas — 27 June 2004 Abrazitic — 21 May 2004 Abreaction — 18 June 2004 Abreast — 17 May 2004 Abreast — 24 June 2004 Abridged — 24 May 2004 Abrim — 25 June 2004 Abrin — 24 May 2004 Abroad — 19 June 2004 Abrupt — 21 May 2004 Abscess — 17 May 2004 Abscissa — 19 May 2004 Abscission — 30 May 2004 Abscond — 23 June 2004 Abscond — 24 June 2004 Abseil — 21 May 2004 Abseil — 02 June 2004 Absent minded — 18 May 2004 Absent without leave — 23 June 2004 Absinthe — 17 May 2004 Absinthe — 20 June 2004 Absolute alcohol — 20 May 2004 Absolute zero — 21 May 2004 Absolutely — 19 May 2004 Absolution — 25 June 2004 Absorbed — 18 May 2004 Absquatulate — 17 May 2004 Abstain — 30 May 2004 Abstemious — 19 May 2004 Abstention — 18 May 2004 Abstention — 19 May 2004 Absterge — 18 June 2004 Abstergent — 24 June 2004 Abstinence — 17 May 2004 Abstinent — 24 June 2004 Abstract — 19 May 2004 Abstracted — 18 May 2004 Abstruse — 20 May 2004 Absurd — 17 May 2004 Abu Dhabi — 20 June 2004 Abulia — 17 May 2004 Abulic — 18 June 2004 Abumbral — 24 June 2004 Abumbrellar — 19 June 2004 Abundance — 17 May 2004 Abuse — 17 May 2004 Abusive — 21 June 2004 Abutment — 25 June 2004 Abvolt — 17 May 2004 Abwatt — 17 May 2004 Abysmal — 24 May 2004 Abyss — 17 May 2004 Abyss — 23 June 2004 Abyssinia — 21 May 2004 Acacia — 19 May 2004 Academic — 10 May 2004 Academic — 19 May 2004 Academic — 07 June 2004 Acadian — 23 June 2004 Acajou — 19 May 2004 Acalculia — 25 June 2004 Acanaceous — 31 May 2004 Acanthocephalan — 19 May 2004 Acapnia — 23 June 2004 Acapnotic — 14 June 2004 Acappela — 19 May 2004 Acapulco Gold — 19 June 2004 Acaraphobia — 26 May 2004 Acardiac — 01 June 2004 Acarpous — 25 June 2004 Acaudate — 01 June 2004 Accede — 19 May 2004 Accelerando — 19 May 2004 Accelerator — 02 June 2004 Accent — 25 June 2004 Accept — 01 June 2004 Acceptable — 25 May 2004 Accident — 02 June 2004 Accident prone — 26 May 2004 Accidie — 19 May 2004 Accismus — 31 May 2004 Acclaim — 18 June 2004 Acclaim — 23 June 2004 Acclimate — 26 June 2004 Acclimatization — 18 June 2004 Acclivity — 25 May 2004 Accolades — 01 June 2004 Accolent — 28 May 2004 Accommodate — 24 June 2004 Accompany — 25 May 2004 Accomplice — 25 May 2004 Accomplish — 25 May 2004 Accord — 25 May 2004 Accord — 01 June 2004 Accordian — 07 June 2004 Accost — 26 May 2004 Account — 07 June 2004 Account — 21 June 2004 Accredited — 24 June 2004 Accrescimento — 20 June 2004 Accresense — 07 June 2004 Accretion — 26 June 2004 Accretion disc — 19 June 2004 Accretious — 01 June 2004 Accrue — 01 June 2004 Accrue — 25 June 2004 Accubation — 25 May 2004 Accuracy — 25 June 2004 Accuse — 07 June 2004 Accustomed — 27 May 2004 Ace — 31 May 2004 Acephalic — 01 June 2004 Acerbate — 26 May 2004 Acerbic — 20 June 2004 Acercic — 02 June 2004 Acescent — 02 June 2004 Acetabuliferous — 02 June 2004 Acetic — 23 June 2004 Aceticacid — 25 June 2004 Acetylenetorch — 26 June 2004 Acey deucy — 18 June 2004 Achaetous — 31 May 2004 Acharnement — 02 June 2004 Ache — 07 June 2004 Achievable — 27 May 2004 Achilles — 07 June 2004 Achilles — 23 June 2004 Achromatic — 23 June 2004 Achromic — 24 June 2004 Acicular — 07 June 2004 Acicular — 27 June 2004 Acid head — 18 June 2004 Acid rain — 18 June 2004 Acidity — 24 June 2004 Acidrock — 24 June 2004 Acinaciform — 01 June 2004 Ack Ack — 26 May 2004 Ackamarackus — 02 June 2004 Acme — 27 May 2004 Acne — 02 June 2004 Acnestis — 02 June 2004 Acolyte — 07 June 2004 Acopic — 18 June 2004 Acorn — 07 June 2004 Acosmic — 01 June 2004 Acouchy — 27 May 2004 Acousticophobia — 01 June 2004 Acousto optics — 07 June 2004 Acquaintance — 28 May 2004 Acquiesce — 10 June 2004 Acquire — 27 May 2004 Acquittal — 01 June 2004 Acraein — 31 May 2004 Acre — 31 May 2004 Acrid — 31 May 2004 Acridity — 24 June 2004 Acrimonious — 02 June 2004 Acrobatic — 25 May 2004 Acrocephalic — 23 June 2004 Acrochordon — 10 June 2004 Acrolect — 02 June 2004 Acroleutic — 24 June 2004 Acrolith — 18 June 2004 Acromegaly — 18 June 2004 Acromion — 02 June 2004 Acronychal — 02 June 2004 Acronym — 24 June 2004 Across — 02 June 2004 Acrostic — 25 May 2004 Acroteria — 24 June 2004 Actaeon — 28 May 2004 Acting — 31 May 2004 Actinic — 26 June 2004 Actinomyosis — 09 June 2004 Actinotherapy — 18 June 2004 Action — 28 May 2004 Active immunity — 21 June 2004 Activity — 28 May 2004 Acton — 26 June 2004 Actor — 01 June 2004 Actual — 19 June 2004 Actuality — 31 May 2004 Actuary — 25 June 2004 Acuity — 19 June 2004 Aculeate — 24 June 2004 Acumen — 02 June 2004 Acupuncture — 26 May 2004 Acushla — 26 May 2004 Acutely — 01 June 2004 Acyclic — 25 June 2004 Acynoblepsia — 28 May 2004 Ad infinitum — 20 June 2004 Ad infinitum — 20 June 2004 Ad lib — 12 June 2004 Ad libitum — 21 June 2004 Ad libitum — 21 June 2004 Adactylous — 12 June 2004 Adactylous — 24 June 2004 Adagio — 24 June 2004 Adam — 26 June 2004 Adam’s apple — 26 June 2004 Adams, John — 26 June 2004 Adaptation — 21 June 2004 Adder — 25 June 2004 Addiction — 14 June 2004 Addition — 19 June 2004 Addle — 26 June 2004 Address — 26 June 2004 Adenosis — 14 June 2004 Adept — 11 June 2004 Adept — 14 June 2004 Adept — 23 June 2004 Adequacy — 14 June 2004 Adespota — 26 June 2004 Adherent — 27 June 2004 Adiaphonic — 14 June 2004 Adiaphory — 24 June 2004 Adieu — 14 June 2004 Adieu — 23 June 2004 Adieu — 24 June 2004 Adios — 14 June 2004 Adipocyte — 24 June 2004 Adipose — 14 June 2004 Adjourn — 19 June 2004 Adjudicate — 24 June 2004 Adjust — 21 June 2004 Adjutant — 26 June 2004 Adjuvant — 15 June 2004 Admetus — 24 June 2004 Administration — 24 June 2004 Admire — 14 June 2004 Admissible — 14 June 2004 Admit — 14 June 2004 Admittance — 23 June 2004 Admonition — 23 June 2004 Adobe — 24 June 2004 Adobo — 14 June 2004 Adolescent — 12 June 2004 Adonish — 27 June 2004 Adopt — 14 June 2004 Adoption — 25 June 2004 Adorable — 14 June 2004 Adore — 14 June 2004 Adrenal — 14 June 2004 Adrenal gland — 19 June 2004 Adrenocorticotropic — 19 June 2004 Adroit — 14 June 2004 Adrumbration — 19 June 2004 Adulation — 14 June 2004 Adult — 14 June 2004 Adumbration — 24 June 2004 Advance — 14 June 2004 Advance — 19 June 2004 Advantageous — 24 June 2004 Advent — 26 June 2004 Adventists — 26 June 2004 Adventists — 27 June 2004 Adverb — 27 June 2004 Adverse — 14 June 2004 Adversifoliate — 24 June 2004 Adversity — 26 June 2004 Advertise — 12 June 2004 Advertising — 14 June 2004 Advice — 19 June 2004 Advisable — 14 June 2004 Advocate — 14 June 2004 Adze — 24 June 2004 Anal — 23 May 2004 Auld — 10 May 2004 Richard English |
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Richard said, "Unfortunately the limitations of the wordcraft formatting mean that there are only a few options available (for example, there is no facility for having parallel columns)."
As far as I know you can't make parallel columns on the board. But if you like, I'd be glad post a copy of your list, in columns as a web-page, to which users could link from this board. It would be little trouble for me to update that page periodically for you to match the latest version of your list. Let me know if that would be helpful. |
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Apologies for the delay but I've been out of touch with a Trojan attack.
Could I suggest we hold tight until the present discussions about CJ's potential new website and its relationship (if any) with Wordcraft are completed and we know the way forward? Richard English |
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"Could I suggest," says Richard.
"You just did," replies the Cumberbunce, "so evidently you can. The question is "Might you". Yes, you may.  (Sorry, Richard. The cumberbunce is a dear friend of mine, and he just couldn't resist tweaking you.) |
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