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March 29, 2014, 16:52
CaterwaullerAboutness
Have any of you heard this word before? It is new to me, but apparently from my own profession, Librarianship. OED says:
quote:
The quality or fact of relating to or being about something; Philos. (of a mental state, symbol, representation, etc.) the property of being about something (existent or non-existent); cf. intentionality n. Additions b.
Your thoughts?
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"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
March 29, 2014, 17:13
<Proofreader>I'd say it appears nonsensical and unnecessary on its face except for
this.March 30, 2014, 16:02
GeoffWelcome back, Cat! Are you somewhat settled in?
I've not heard of "aboutness." I remember "isness" from the yogi days of the sixties, though. I think that Irish guru, Krishnamurphy, started that one.
March 30, 2014, 20:12
KallehYes, Cat. It's great to see you here!
I've not heard of
aboutness, but you are right that it seems to be a librarianship (another word I've not heard) word. I also found some articles on aboutness in
psychology - also
here and
here. There's a little philosophy threaded in as well.
April 01, 2014, 06:10
zmježdI had not heard about
aboutness, but the linguists and philosophers of language mentioned in the Wikipedia article are not unknown in their fields. It seems a term that has been used for a while, and I am sure its users do not find it problematic. For information sciences, it is probably as useful as
findability. I, for one, never begrudge a field its terminology and/or jargon.
—Ceci n'est pas un seing.
April 01, 2014, 16:58
goofyKnowledge, so far as that is judgement and inference, is primarily and explicitly thinking ‘about’ an Other. And even though discursive thought may find its concentrated fulfilment in immediate or intuitive knowledge, its character of ‘Aboutness’ is not thereby eliminated.
- 1906 H. H. Joachim Nature of Truth iv. 174
April 02, 2014, 05:38
zmježd ‘Aboutness’Come to think of it, there's a long tradition of turning a part of speech into other part of speech with some degree of abstractness thrown in for good measure:
quiddity 'whatness' (< Latin
quidditas <
quid 'what').
haecceity 'thisness' (< Latin
haecceitas <
haec 'this', this and the previous both terms in scholastic philosophy),
being there (< German
Dasein, cf. French calque
être-là, term in existential philosophy),
suchness (? Sanskrit
tathatā 'thusness, suchness', Buddhist term).
We can borrow words from another language or translate them literally (calque) or invent new words by the process of derivational morphology (or by imparting new meaning to old terms, cf. the many different meanings of
file over the years from a string to packaging of electronic data).
—Ceci n'est pas un seing.
April 02, 2014, 20:39
KallehI always thought
file made perfect sense because it's the electronic equivalent to a file cabinet for paper documents.
April 03, 2014, 06:14
zmježd it's the electronic equivalent to a file cabinet for paper documents.Yeah, but before it was that, it was the red, silk thread that held together the pages in what later became the file.
—Ceci n'est pas un seing.
April 03, 2014, 10:42
arnieI was reading the newspaper review of a modern art exhibition a little while ago. An especially tactile
thing he describes as having "thinginess". I could quite understand the quiddity.
Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
April 03, 2014, 20:20
KallehI didn't know that
thinginess was a word, but apparently it is.
April 04, 2014, 06:23
zmježd thinginessThere's also
truthiness.
—Ceci n'est pas un seing.
April 04, 2014, 08:46
BobHaleEnglish is a very productive language. We can add the "iness" or the "ness" suffixes to just about anything. That's the beautiful wordcraftiness of it.
"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
April 04, 2014, 10:33
arnie Wordiness isn't such a good idea, though.
Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
April 04, 2014, 17:06
Geoffquote:
Originally posted by BobHale:
English is a very productive language. We can add the "iness" or the "ness" suffixes to just about anything. That's the beautiful wordcraftiness of it.
So any Scottish lake has lochness?
April 04, 2014, 21:55
BobHaleI was thinking about it and it seems to me that
Xness is the essence of being X
but
Xiness is the quality of being
like X without actually
being X.
"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
April 05, 2014, 11:07
CaterwaullerSo do you think there could be any use for a term of "aboutiness", like being about something but not actually about it.
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"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
April 05, 2014, 11:26
haberdasher It seems a term that has been used for a whileFWIW - Neal Stephenson invokes "aboutness" toward the end of his cosmic novel
Anathem - which I suspect means the concept has been around for millennia (as have many others in that book, surprisingly enough for a book of fiction)
April 05, 2014, 19:21
goofyAt least since 1906, as I wrote earlier.
April 06, 2014, 19:47
KallehWell, Hab. How nice to see you posting up above!
Cat, here is a Google books
link using "tumble-aboutiness"