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Mis-attributed quotes?
January 30, 2007, 10:38
<wordnerd>Mis-attributed quotes?
In the last few weeks I've run into these two quotes, and found that the web attributes them to Twain and Churchill. But the sites differ in the exact phrasing, and I can't any site thaT says
where these are to be found in Twain's and Churchill's works. Accordingly, I'm suspicious.
Does anyone know for sure whether the attributions are legitimate?
A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain.
- Mark Twain?
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
- Winston Churchill?
January 30, 2007, 13:54
BobHaleCan't help with attributions I'm afraid (I've checked my books of quotations and neither is listed) but I have noticed that every quotation worth remembering eventually gets attributed to Mark Twain, Winston Churchill or Oscar Wilde.
"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
January 30, 2007, 19:43
Kallehquote:
A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain.
This Mark
Twain site says that it shouldn't be considered authentic.
quote:
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
This
site says that the Churchill quote is "unsourced."
January 30, 2007, 20:20
tinmanOne of the disputed quotes mentioned in that Wikipedia article you linked to was, “This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put.” Apparently this quote appeared in an article in
The Strand magazine, and the author is unknown.
Tinman
January 31, 2007, 20:43
KallehThis all goes to show why it's so important to go back to original sources. When writing an article, it's always tempting to assume the authors who cited research from another article interpreted it correctly. Inevitably, when you read the cited article, you will find mistakes. In fact, because some authors don't take the time to verify sources, sometimes these mistakes are passed on from article to article, similar to these quotes.
February 03, 2007, 06:57
CaterwaullerI was just looking for this quote . . .
quote:
We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
and I've found it attributed to Booker T. Washington twice,
here and
here,and never to anyone else . . . but I am wondering what you guys can find.
*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
February 03, 2007, 07:27
BobHaleLots of people on other boards and blogs seem to attribute it to James D. Nicoll.
I've also heard it (surprise, surprise)attributed to Churchill. I'm pretty sure that this one isn't his though.
James D Nicoll seems the commonest attribution, though that proves nothing.
With regard to the "up with which I will not put" there is a good item
here on language log.
"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
February 03, 2007, 16:36
tinmanFor what it's worth, here's what
Wikipedia says:
quote:
The following epigram first written by James D. Nicoll is from 1990 and has been attributed to everyone from Booker T. Washington to a nineteenth-century painter also named James Nicoll:
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle [sic] their pockets for new vocabulary.
Tinman
February 03, 2007, 18:25
Hic et ubiqueThis is beginning to sound
familiar.

(Check the whole thread, not just the one post I linked to.)
February 03, 2007, 18:54
shufitzI found the original quote. James D. Nicoll (or at least, someone named James whose initials are JDN)said it on an internet forum,
here.
February 04, 2007, 19:28
CaterwaullerAhh - very well, then. I thought it unlikely that BT Washington had said it.
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"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
February 05, 2007, 13:56
Seanahan"There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics" is often attributed to Twain, although in all fairness he did quote that phrase.
Edit: attempt to fix poor comma usage