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March 01, 2010, 22:03
Kalleh
The real Alice
You might find this NPR podcast with Melanie Benjamin, where she talks about Lewis Carroll, interesting. There's also a photo of 7-year-old Alice Liddell.
March 02, 2010, 04:23
BobHale
Fascinating.
I must buy the book, though the photo which she makes so much of is well-known, indeed the most well-known of all the photos of Alice, and some of her "facts" are disputable.


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
March 02, 2010, 11:37
BobHale
Incidentally I've seen that picture hundreds of times and never once considered it to be worldly, frank, womanly or - as the podcast suggests - sultry. I think these value judgements show more about the mind of the author than anything else.


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
March 03, 2010, 01:59
arnie
To me. she looks bored. That's not really surprising, given the long exposure times necessary then. It always seems like purgatory to a 7-year-old to have to stay still for any length of time.

The excerpt from the book was interesting, but it's not about the 'real' Alice. The book is a novel, and cannot depended on in any way for insights into her personality. As Bob says about the impression on her made by the photograph, the book might tell us something about the author, though.


Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
March 03, 2010, 03:14
BobHale
I was going to say "distracted" but "bored" seems to cover it.

(And no, by "distracted", I don't mean that someone has taken away her books.)


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
March 03, 2010, 07:14
arnie
quote:
(And no, by "distracted", I don't mean that someone has taken away her books.)

That should be in the "dis- game" thread in Word Games (if it isn't already). Smile


Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
March 03, 2010, 08:02
<Proofreader>
Actually Alice would only be distracted if she lost some real estate.
March 04, 2010, 20:23
Kalleh
Agreed about the photo, Bob. I have often seen it, even though I am not necessarily an Alice afficionado.

I will read the book, though.
March 05, 2010, 11:00
Kalleh
The new Alice movie is out now, and here are a couple of articles about it: link and link.

We're definitely going to see it.
March 05, 2010, 11:28
BobHale
I'll be posting I've posted my review on my blog very shortly as I saw the movie a couple of hours ago. It's quite possible you may want to see the film before reading it.

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"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
March 05, 2010, 19:10
Kalleh
No, I want to read it. I'm going to your Blog now.
March 05, 2010, 19:21
Kalleh
I've gone and commented. Excellent analysis!
March 06, 2010, 01:20
BobHale
Could you repost the comment, I've accidentally lost it. Red Face


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
March 06, 2010, 20:35
Kalleh
Sure thing. BTW, how did you get 14 followers? I am so jealous...with my mere 2.
March 07, 2010, 01:11
BobHale
Most are my friends.
A couple are people whose blogs I follow.
One is, sadly, jerry - I left him there as a kind of silent tribute.


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.