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December 04, 2004, 11:49
Hic et ubique
"Nothing to Wear"
Make a post that's too long, and no one will read it, but I think you'll enjoy this one in smaller installments. It concerns a wealthy and spoiled rich young woman who claims she has "nothing to wear", and as you'll see, it even has something to do with words!


Miss Flora M'Flimsey, of Madison Square,
Has made three separate journeys to Paris,
And her father assures me, each time she was there,
That she and her friend Mrs. Harris
(Not the lady whose name is so famous in history,
But plain Mrs. H., without romance or mystery)
Spent six consecutive weeks without stopping,
In one continuous round of shopping;
Shopping alone, and shopping together,
At all hours of the day, and in all sorts of weather;
For all manner of things that a woman can put
On the crown of her head or the sole of her foot,
Or wrap round her shoulders, or fit round her waist,
Or that can be sewed on, or pinned on, or laced,
Or tied on with a string, or stitched on with a bow,
In front or behind, above or below:
For bonnets, mantillas, capes, collars, and shawls;
Dresses for breakfasts, and dinners, and balls;
Dresses to sit in, and stand in, and walk in;
Dresses to dance in, and flirt in, and talk in;
Dresses in which to do nothing at all;
Dresses for winter, spring, summer, and fall;
All of them different in color and pattern,
Silk, muslin, and lace, crepe, velvet, and satin,
Brocade, and broadcloth, and other material,
Quite as expensive and much more ethereal;
In short, for all things that could ever be thought of,
Or milliner, modiste, or tradesman be bought of,
From ten-thousand-francs to twenty-sous frills;
In all quarters of Paris, and to every store,
While M'Flimsey in vain stormed, scolded, and swore,
They footed the streets, and he footed the bills.


(to be continued ... Wink)
December 05, 2004, 09:33
Hic et ubique
The last trip, their goods shipped by the steamer Arago
Formed, M'Flimsey declares, the bulk of her cargo,
Not to mention a quantity kept from the rest,
Sufficient to fill the largest sized chest,
Which did not appear on the ship's manifest,
But for which the ladies themselves manifested
Such particular interest, that they invested
Their own proper persons in layers and rows
Of muslins, embroideries, worked under-clothes,
Gloves, hankerchiefs, scarfs, and such trifles as those;
Then, wrapped in great shawls, like Circassian beauties,
Gave good-by to the ship, and go-by to the duties.
Her relations at home all marveled no doubt,
Miss Flora had grown so enormously stout
For an actual belle and a possible bride;
But the miracle ceased when she turned inside out,
And the truth came to light, and the dry goods beside,
Which, in spite of Collector and Custom-house sentry,
Had entered the port without any entry.

And yet, though scarce three months have passed since the day
This merchandise went, on twelve carts, up Broadway,
This same Miss M'Flimsey, of Madison Square,
The last time we met, was in utter despair,
Because she had nothing whatever to wear!

NOTHING TO WEAR! Now, as this is a true ditty,
I do not assert--this, you know, is between us--
That she's in a state of absolute nudity,
Like Powers' Greek Slave or the Medici Venus;
But I do mean to say, I have heard her declare,
When at the same moment she had on a dress
Which cost five hundred dollars, and not a cent less,
And jewelry worth ten times more, I should guess,
That she had not a thing in the wide world to wear!

(more to come ... )
December 05, 2004, 17:51
Kalleh
Hic, I know the poem, and it is a great one. Thanks! Smile
December 06, 2004, 07:22
Hic et ubique
Thanks, Kalleh! I wasn't sure if this was appropriate.

Readers are probably wondering who the speaker of the poem is, and why does he care about the adorable Ms. M'Flimsey? He explains.
December 06, 2004, 18:56
Caterwauller
I like the poem . . . don't like Flora much, though! Is there more?


*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
December 12, 2004, 09:57
Hic et ubique
Well, having thus wooed Miss M'Flimsey and gained her,
With the silks, crinolines, and hoops that contained her,
I had, as I thought, a contingent remainder
At least in the property, and the best right
To appear as its escort by day and by night;
And it being the week of the Stuckup's grand ball--
Their cards had been out a fortnight or so,
And set all the Avenue on tip-toe--
I considered it my duty to call,
And see if Miss Flora intended to go.
I found her--as ladies are apt to be found,
When the time intervening between the first sound
Of the bell and the visitor's entry is shorter
Than usual--I found; I won't say--I caught her--
Intent on the pier-glass, undoubted meaning
To see if pehaps it didn't need cleaning.
She turned as I entered-- "Why, Harry, you sinner,
I thought that you went to the Flashers' to dinner!
"
"So I did," I replied, "but the dinner is swallowed,
And digested, I trust, for tis now nine and more,
So being relieved from that duty, I followed
Inclination, which led me, you see, to your door.
And now will your ladyship so condescend
As just to inform me if you intend
Your beauty, and graces, and presence to lend,
(All which, when I own, I hope no one will borrow)
to the Stuckup's, whose party, you know is to-morrow?
"
The fair Flora looked up with a pitiful air,
And answered quite promptly, "Why Harry, mon cher,
I should like above all things to go with you there;
But really and truly--I've nothing to wear.
"

"Nothing to wear! Go just as you are;
Wear the dress you have on, and you'll be by far,
I engage, the most bright and particular star
On the Stuckup horizon
"--I stopped, for her eye,
Notwithstanding this delicate onset of flattery,
Opened on me at once a most terrible battery
Of scorn and amazement. She made no reply,
But gave a slight turn to the end of her nose
(That pure Grecian feature), as much as to say,
"How absurd that any sane man should suppose
That a lady would go to a ball in the clothes,
No matter how fine, that she wears every day!
"
December 12, 2004, 20:46
Kalleh
I wasn't sure if this was appropriate.

Absolutely it is, Hic. I wish more people would post creative writing here in this forum...poems, DDs, limericks, and the like. I heard about William Carlos Williams this weekend, and I intend to post some of his poems.
December 13, 2004, 17:12
Hic et ubique
Recall that you were promised that this was word-related? Here, after the colored part, we come our hero's suggestions of appropriate words. I cannot conceive why his helpfulness was received so poorly. But the lady does seem to have fine command of other parts of speech.
December 13, 2004, 18:16
Caterwauller
wow - not exactly the kind of person i'd wanna have a cuppa with . . .


*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
December 14, 2004, 01:26
Richard English
One of the problems is, of course, is that the chap is speaking English and the lady is speaking "woman".

These two languages, in spite of their apparent similarity, are so different that it is surprising that men and women can communicate at all!


Richard English
December 14, 2004, 10:54
Kalleh
One of the problems is, of course, is that the chap is speaking English and the lady is speaking "woman".

You're probably right. While I am certainly not as dramatic about it as the woman in the poem, I will admit that I get up each morning thinking, "I have nothing to wear."

BTW, you are definitely speaking English English as very few Americans, I believe, would use the word "chap."
December 14, 2004, 21:12
Hic et ubique

(tune in tomorrow for still more harrowing tales of destitution and deprivation)
December 15, 2004, 00:44
Caterwauller
quote:
Originally posted by Richard English:
One of the problems is, of course, is that the chap is speaking English and the lady is speaking "woman".

These two languages, in spite of their apparent similarity, are so different that it is surprising that men and women can communicate at all!


Thanks for the comments, Professor Higgins.


*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
December 16, 2004, 07:05
Hic et ubique
(avert any tender eyes, as tales of unspeakable woe continue)
December 17, 2004, 17:38
Hic et ubique
But dry the incipient tear. A solution is at hand to this distress.
December 19, 2004, 10:29
Hic et ubique
The mood shifts suddenly, startlingly. For humor is not the point of the poem.

December 19, 2004, 13:57
Caterwauller
Aha - the moral - as if we didn't see it coming. Really good poem. Thanks for all that typing.


*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
December 19, 2004, 14:41
jerry thomas
A stripper who came from Eau Clair
Said, "I really have nothing to wear."
She expressed her deep loathing
For all kinds of clothing.
Said, "It's more than a body can bear."
December 19, 2004, 16:50
tinman
Here's a site with the poem and links.

Tinman
December 19, 2004, 19:00
Caterwauller
Very cool! Good find, Tinny!


*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
December 19, 2004, 20:46
KHC
I shall nevermore lament the lack of clothes in my closet! Good Christmas poem, Tinman... it puts the brake on things!!
December 20, 2004, 13:26
Hic et ubique
Not quite done, folks.
December 20, 2004, 16:10
jerry thomas
That same little gal from Eau Clair
Said, while brushing her hair,
"I'd go camp with nudists,
Eschewing all prudists,
But the truth is, I've nothing to wear."

~~~ jerry thomas (1930 - ????)
December 21, 2004, 17:50
Caterwauller
Another great little ditty, Jerry.

I do like the long one, though, Hic. What occured that you came across it?


*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
December 25, 2004, 16:49
shufitz
quote:
Originally posted by Richard English:
One of the problems is, of course, is that the chap is speaking English and the lady is speaking "woman". These two languages, in spite of their apparent similarity, are so different that it is surprising that men and women can communicate at all!
Hmmmmm.... Given the known and obvious fact that a woman will, on average, speak approximately 2.47 times as many words per day as a man, I'd think the official language has to be attributed to woman, its greater user. In other words, the woman was speaking English, and the man was speaking "man". Big Grin

[PS: no comma before 'English' in that last sentence, Richard. Wink ]
December 25, 2004, 17:55
Kalleh
Given the known and obvious fact that a woman will, on average, speak approximately 2.47 times as many words per day as a man

2.47 times as many words, huh? That sounds very scientific. Let's have the source so that we can see the study design, sampling technique, and the statisitical analysis. Wink While surely there are differences between men and women, I don't believe that women talk more than men.
December 25, 2004, 18:47
<Asa Lovejoy>
quote:
I will admit that I get up each morning thinking, "I have nothing to wear."


Oh, shufitz, you rogue! Give her back her undies at least!
December 26, 2004, 16:00
tinman
It's not how much you talk that counts. Some people talk a lot and say little. Others talk little and say a lot.

Tinman
December 26, 2004, 16:18
Kalleh
Perfectly said, Tinman. I call it the EF Hutton phenonemon (i.e., when EF Hutton talks, everyone listens!). I facilitate a meeting where a number of people yammer and yammer on about nothing. However, there are one or two who say little, but we all sit up and listen when they make their points.
December 26, 2004, 16:31
shufitz
quote:
Originally posted by Kalleh: 2.47 times as many words, huh? That sounds very scientific. Let's have the source so that we can see the study design, sampling technique, and the statisitical analysis. Wink
Dear Amelia Bedelia:
Surely the spurious air of precision about what I called a supposed 'known and obvious fact' would alert you that my tongue was squarely in my cheek?

By the way, where is your tongue, dear? Wink
December 28, 2004, 19:21
Kalleh
By the way, where is your tongue, dear?

Sticking it out at you! Razz

Okay, you got me. My literalism got in the way. Red Face
January 01, 2005, 07:02
Caterwauller
Kalleh and Shu,
My hubby always says the same thing each time I (like a brat) stick my tongue out at him. "Put that thing away unless you intend to use it."

Big Grin


*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
March 16, 2005, 12:42
Purdie
There was a young lady called Claire
Who found out she'd nothing to wear
She looked there down low
Thank she wasn't on flow
She'd nothing to put there but a pear.



I do not no whether that is right but i made it up myself
March 16, 2005, 13:17
jerry thomas
Purdie's Limerick inspires a stare
But her style we'd know anywhere.
And in this rendition
We see definition
Of the expression "Oh, Pear!"
March 16, 2005, 14:28
Richard English
quote:
I do not no whether that is right but i made it up myself

Well, ten out of ten for effort. The cunning thing with a limerick is to make it mean something and preferably to have a twist in the last line.

Work on L4 and L5 to improve them and you'll be fine.


Richard English
March 16, 2005, 14:45
jerry thomas
To Purdie, our new Limericist:
If the au pair tends to resist,
Follow Richard's advice
Hold it tight, like a vise,
Then give it a sort of a twist.
March 17, 2005, 03:06
Richard English
There was a young lady called Claire
Who said, "I don't like that damp air,
Lying next to my skin,
Where I'm naked and thin..."
I can't think why she cuddles that pear.


Richard English
March 17, 2005, 05:15
Caterwauller
I confess that I've nothing to wear
From my toes right on up to my hair
For my shape has a flair
it compares to a pear
Think I spend too much time in my chair?


*******
"Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
~Dalai Lama
March 17, 2005, 10:54
Magnus
Calum Has Nothink to wear " Oh My "
Calum Then Wears a Pair " Oh My "
Calum looks down " Oh My "
Calum know knows he was Bear " Oh My "


Hope You Like it Smile

Thankyou For Reading it
March 18, 2005, 01:57
Richard English
What might be quite interesting is for some of these submissions to be analysed for purpose and merit.

I attended a poetry class last night (in the Victoria, Arnie, Cat, jheem, Kalleh) and we had a fascinating discussion on how poetry can have many meanings according to the reader's interpretation.

I will ask our tutor whether she might consider joining us here.


Richard English
March 18, 2005, 05:49
jheem
I attended a poetry class last night (in the Victoria, Arnie, Cat, jheem, Kalleh)

Which reminds me I still have some photos to publish online of Wordcrafters in the Victoria.

and we had a fascinating discussion on how poetry can have many meanings according to the reader's interpretation.

One of the first books I read about poetry, for an introductory English composition class in college, was called How Does a Poem Mean? It was an oldish textbook, even then, written by John Ciardi, a practising poet and literary critic. I did not get along well with the professor who taught the class, but he was an interesting lecturer. I was also introduced to one of my favorite authors, James Joyce, at that time. We read and discussed Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

Poetry purposely takes advantage of connotation rather than denotation and privileging rhetoric and ambiguity. Poetry is more than meter, prosody, and stichometry, though most poetry is formalist in nature. It is writing that appeals to our emotions.

[Fixed ancient howlers.]

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July 05, 2007, 15:58
zmježd
Given the known and obvious fact that a woman will, on average, speak approximately 2.47 times as many words per day as a man

Bill Poser over at Language Log mentions an article in Science which takes on this old bromide. Of course, no matter what, I realize that nobody's mind will be changed. Wink

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Ceci n'est pas un seing.
July 05, 2007, 19:48
Kalleh
Zmj, I couldn't get the link to work. I am very interested in this subject, as Shu and I have discussed it at length.
July 05, 2007, 21:37
zmježd
A glitch. Try it now.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
July 05, 2007, 23:53
Richard English
Allan and Barbara Pease also make this claim in their book "Why men don't listen and why women can't read maps". They also suggest that there is a difference between men's and women's reasons for speaking, claiming that men tend to speak to exchange information whereas women speak as a social act. The theory is tempting but sadly no sources are quoted.

My own impression is that there is truth in the hypothesis, but a hypothesis it must surely remain until more data is available.


Richard English
July 06, 2007, 07:23
zmježd
From Bill Poser's blog entry about the article in Science:

quote:
Overall, the women produced an average of 16,215 words per day, the men 15,669. Although a naive interpretation is that this shows that women are more talkative, the variance is large, so the difference of 546 words, only 3.5%, is not statistically significant. Indeed, although I don't think that anything can be made of the fact statistically, inspection of their data reveals that the handful of really extreme magpies, who produced over 40,000 words per day, were all male.

I'd like to read the article, but I have to walk over to the local library and read the bricks and mortar version.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
July 06, 2007, 10:15
zmježd
A follow-up blog entry posted by Mark Liberman at Language Log. One of his earlier entries is cited in the Science article. He includes many more links to related posts at the bottom of the entry.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
July 06, 2007, 10:44
Kalleh
I am going to read the article because I find it fascinating. There was a front-page article on this in the Chicago Tribune today. The design of this study (210 women and 186 men, college aged) was excellent in that they actually taped 30-second snippets every 12.5 minutes. The researchers acknowledged that they could only generalize to this age group, but the assumption is that there's a good chance it would be comparable to other stages in life. At any rate, the men spoke an average of 15,669 words per day, with the women's average being 16,215, and this difference was not statistically different.

They cited Language Log's Mark Liberman saying that the commonly cited discrepancy began as an "educated guess" (by men, I am sure!) and turned into an urban legend. Is this on Snopes, does anyone know?

I loved Liberman's quote at the end of the article: ""When a pop psychologist or a journalist starts to tell you something about biological or social differences between groups -- men versus women, old people versus young people, black people versus white people -- put your hand on your wallet," Liberman said.
July 06, 2007, 10:54
zmježd
Pease

Speaking of the Peases, the come up in a number of Language Log posts.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
July 06, 2007, 11:54
arnie
quote:
Is this on Snopes, does anyone know?

I tried searching the site and the forums without luck.


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