February 02, 2003, 03:08
BobHaleWhile looking up the spelling of something else...
...I found
morganatic - designating the marriage between a person of high rank and a person of low rank by which the latter is not elevated to the rank of the former
Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum
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February 02, 2003, 06:40
arnieI saw this word recently used in the newspaper. Apparently some papers relating to the abdication of King Edward VIII have just been declassified. Edward was still hoping to keep the crown and suggested a morganatic marriage, where Wallis Simpson remained a commoner. The politicians of the day wouldn't hear of it, though. From what I hear, Mrs Simpson wouldn't have been too keen, either.
February 02, 2003, 09:04
<Asa Lovejoy>I'm digging this out of the archival cobwebs of my dank mental dungeon, but I seem to recall that at one point in time the Romans had marriage "cum manus," or "with hand," and "sine manus," the two defining whether the woman would be her husband's equal or his inferior. Do you Latin scholars remember any of this?
February 03, 2003, 03:50
arnieI think you are right, Asa, but the only reference on the Web I could find with a quick search mentions the institution only in passing:
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~law113/bbs/0027.html An alternative phrase for a morganatic marriage is a
left-handed marriage, yet another indication of the opprobrium attached to sinistrality to add to those listed in the thread about left-handedness.
February 03, 2003, 18:48
MorganBy chance, do you know if
Morgan has any derivation from this word or vice-verse?
February 05, 2003, 13:53
shufitzI beleive the name
morganatic marriage refers to the fact that the bride recieved no goods other than the traditional
morning gift following the wedding night. That is, 'morgan' = 'morning', and presumably has the same meaning in the proper name.
I'd understood 'left-handed marriage' to mean 'living in sin'. On checking, I find it defined as 'a morganatic marriage' in the "offical" sources, but it can be found elsewhere in the usage I'd understood.
February 05, 2003, 18:14
Morganquote:
That is, 'morgan' = 'morning', and presumably has the same meaning in the proper name.
So, my granddaughter's middle name translates to morning.
She is the sunshine of my life, so that is only fitting! Thank you shufitz for making my day.