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December 05, 2004, 15:08
shufitz
Ms.
In a weekly word-puzzle I enjoy, the solution is a quotation, along with the name of the author and work. Today's quotation was right on our subjects.
December 05, 2004, 17:22
Kalleh
I think Ms. is easy to prounounce; you just say Mizz. It doesn't need a period, right? I have seen it both ways, and dictionary.com indicates it can be both ways. It isn't an abbreviation, like "missus" or "mister," so I don't see why we should use a period.
December 06, 2004, 03:35
Richard English
Quote, "...It isn't an abbreviation, like "missus" or "mister," so I don't see why we should use a period..."

Two points.

1. In UK English we don't use a full stop at the end of any abbreviation which ends with the same letter as does the abbreviated word. So Mr and Dr but Co. and Conc.

2. I haven't checked but I heard once that Ms is and abbreviation for "Mistress" - a name that was given to ladies of any marital status back in days of yore. Shakespeare certainly used it.


Richard English
December 06, 2004, 04:56
Graham Nice
No abbreviatioon needs a period any more.

Ms is also splendidly insulting to certain people. Choose the right person, refer to them as Ms, and they will react as if you just called them some kind of communist lesbian.
December 06, 2004, 06:37
jheem
It's easy to pronounce, and it's useful. It's also been in common usage for about three decades. And a guy whose name is Willard oughtn't to make fun of others. But he's dead now, so I'll cut him some slack. Also, the book the quotation is taken from was published in 1979. From the titles of some of his other books, I see he was a foe of linguistic reason. I would've loved to've called his mother, sister, or wife Ms.

About junk mailers (who have expanded their practices to email/blog spam and phone solicitation), I don't see that they ever cared who got their noxious missives.
December 06, 2004, 07:12
Richard English
Quote "...No abbreviatioon needs a period any more...."

I think that the full stop after abbreviations is often useful. How else could one easily distinguish between No and No.?


Richard English
December 06, 2004, 20:35
Kalleh
And a guy whose name is Willard oughtn't to make fun of others.
Big Grin Good point, jheem!

As for periods in abbreviations, we seem to use them more in the U.S. than you Brits do. It would seem a bit of a pain to have to think, "Now, does the abbreviation end with the same letter as the word?" Yet, we in the U.S. aren't very consistent. Sometimes you see USA, and other times you see U.S.A. BTW, Richard, would you write it U.SA since 'United' doesn't end in 'U,' but 'States' ends in 'S' and 'America' ends in 'A?' Wink