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What's in a Name?
July 12, 2004, 22:05
KallehWhat's in a Name?
Millenium Park will
finally be open in Chicago....4 years late and over double the projected cost.
Now the question is, what to call the sculpture, created by the British sculptor, Anish Kapoor. As described in the Chicago Tribune, the sculpture is spectacular. Its silvery surface reflects a panorama of Michigan Avenue. Kapoor wants it called Cloud Gate. Since the sculpture is shaped like a bean, Chicagoans have begun to call it "The Bean." After all, says the editorial in the Tribune, who wouldn't want to see a 110-ton jelly bean?
Picasso didn't name his 1967 chicago sculpture because there was disagreement about what it represented. Is it the head of a woman? A Viking ship? A baboon? It is fondly called "The Picasso."
A name is powerful. Kapoor will name it what he wants. But, it will probably be called, "The Bean" by Chicagoans. In fact, the Tribune has already coined a word for it....Bean-spiration.
Does anyone know of other stories of naming buildings, pieces of art, or public displays?
July 13, 2004, 00:53
Richard EnglishIt happens all the time over here!
The new HQ of the London Mayor is known as "The Gherkin". (Zucchini to you in the USA).
You can see a picture of it here and realise why it is so named!
Richard English
July 13, 2004, 03:05
arnieIt looks like Richard missed out the link from his earlier message. However, here are a couple of links to an article and a photo:
http://www.hughpearman.com/articles5/gherkin_b.html and
http://www.jwoodhouse.co.uk/london/lond14.htm
Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
July 13, 2004, 09:05
Richard EnglishWhoops, so I did. I selected the link but forgot to paste it. Mind you, I still think it looks like a gherkin and I still don't like it!
Richard English
July 16, 2004, 07:50
shufitzRichard says, "
The new HQ of the London Mayor is known as 'The Gherkin'. (Zucchini to you in the USA). You can see a picture of it and realise why it is so named!"
Interesting. To my mind a gherkin and a zucchini are two different things. A gherkin is a kind of pickle (
AHD: "a small cucumber, especially one used for pickling"), while zucchini is another type of summer squash, of similar shape but with fruits that grow very large if you let them. Though some dictionaries characterize the zucchini a "small", that's not my gardening experience, and the web seems to bear me out. Example: "Of all garden produce, zucchini is the most prolific. Zucchini seem to magically triple in size overnight."
PS: Richard, if you dislike the Lord Mayor, could you say he's "the Jerk in the Gherkin"?

July 16, 2004, 08:18
KallehBy the way, Chicago's Millenium Park opens today. While the project has been Chicago's black sheep for the past 4 years (over-budget and overdue), now people are finally beginning to like it. Here is a
link.July 16, 2004, 09:34
Richard EnglishQuote "...PS: Richard, if you dislike the Lord Mayor, could you say he's "the Jerk in the Gherkin"? ..."
No. Because the Lord Mayor doesn't live there. It's the Mayor (presently Ken Livingstone) who resides in the Gherkin. He is a jumped up little twit who has accrued massive power that he doesn't deserve and that he uses generally rather badly.
The post of Lord Mayor is an honorary and ancient one that gives its owner virtually no power but loads of pomp.
At a national level equivalent you could say that the Lord Mayor is roughly the same as the monarch and the Mayor roughly the same as the Prime Minister.
Richard English
July 16, 2004, 10:00
jheemInteresting origins:
zucchini, literally 'little gourds' in Italian (
zucca 'gourd' < Latin
cucutia 'gourd' < ? L
cucutium 'a kind of hood');
gherkin (
Cucumis anguria) Dutch
gurken, pl.
gurk, 'cucumber', short for
agurk, possibly from Polish
ogorek, perhaps from Late Greek
aggourion < Gk
aggouros 'kind of cake, tart' (from
A-H).
July 16, 2004, 17:49
Hic et ubiqueIt is of vast literary importance that we resolve whether a "gherkin" is a small fruit or a large one.
Until that is resolved, we cannot fully understand and appreciate the noted limerick beginning, "There once was a fellow named Firken / Addicted to jerkin' his gherkin."
As Mae West said:
"Is that a pickle in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?"

July 16, 2004, 22:23
<Asa Lovejoy>After resolving the above question, the fellow woke up the next day dill and lustless.
July 17, 2004, 06:09
jheem It is of vast literary importance that we resolve whether a "gherkin" is a small fruit or a large one.There's a wonderful book called
Nature and language: A semiotic study of cucurbits in literature by Ralf Norman and Jon Haarberg in 1980. Waxes eloquent over the fecundity of Cucurbitaceae. Anybody who's raised zucchini or almost any other kind of gourd knows whereof I speak.
July 17, 2004, 09:38
jerry thomasFrom the Bakery Department comes this sage advice: To make pickle bread you have to start with a
dill dough.July 17, 2004, 09:48
Chris J. Strolinquote:
Originally posted by KHC:
As Mae West said:
"Is that a pickle in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?"
Not to quibble but I'm pretty sure that she was inquiring about there being a
pistol in his pocket. Why would any man in Mae West's era (or
any era, for that matter) carry around pickles like pocket change?
July 17, 2004, 09:54
shufitzDear God! Hic, Asa, Jerry, I love it!
July 17, 2004, 15:28
<Asa Lovejoy>Well, you see, CJ, after Ms West examined the pickle in his pocket, she decided that she'd prefer one of Peter Piper's wears, so the poor fellow went home and continued his usual habit of gherkin' off.
Our first thought upon observing the London Gherkin was from Shrek: "Do you suppose he's compensating for something?"
Sorry, CJ...
But I have always heard it as "a pickle in your pocket"...
I know it doesn't make sense... not literally...
But I'm not "dill"....
This is all too funny.
July 17, 2004, 22:54
<Asa Lovejoy>No, you're not dill! Between your ears is an active brine!

July 18, 2004, 02:38
Richard EnglishQuote "... "Do you suppose he's compensating for something?" ..."
Well, there have been few rumours about the man's private life - but he is known to keep newts. And, if he thus takes after Wodehouse's newt-fancying Gussie Fink-Nottle, then his success with the ladies would certainly be in doubt.
Richard English
July 19, 2004, 07:55
Hic et ubiquePurely in the interest of scholarly accuracy, let it be noted that West did not originate the pistol metaphor.
From the
1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue by Francis Grose (1731-1791), the 1811 version being a "Reprint of the author's Lexicon balatronicum; a dictionary of buckish slang, university wit, and pickpocket eloquence (and now considerably altered and enlarged, with the modern changes and improvements, by a member of the whip club.)"
quote:
RANTALLION. One whose scrotum is so relaxed as to be longer than his penis, i.e. whose shot pouch is longer than the barrel of his piece.
July 19, 2004, 23:01
<Asa Lovejoy>So, Hic, care to expound on the difference between a scrotum and a fiscus? Don't they both carry valuables?
