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March 26, 2012, 17:50
BobHale
Racism or Fontism
http://www.popehat.com/2012/03...e-concealed-forever/


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
March 26, 2012, 19:58
<Proofreader>
A fontasy?
March 26, 2012, 21:11
Kalleh
Interesting and relates to another thread here. I hadn't heard of chop suey font before, though looked it up online. I suppose I could see that it's a slur if the person (Margaret Cho, in this case) about whom it was written hadn't consented to it. Since she did okay it, what's the beef?
March 27, 2012, 05:26
<Proofreader>
Apparently Margaret Cho is guilty of racism against herself.
March 27, 2012, 20:36
Kalleh
There must be a word for that!
March 29, 2012, 07:26
arnie
quote:
Apparently Margaret Cho is guilty of racism against herself.

Most comics who are from racial minorities probably are. In particular the many great Jewish comedians tend to rely on Jewish jokes especially.

Only a Jew can nowadays tell a joke about Jews, just as only black people can joke about the balck community without fear of giving offence. Although if Scorpions X have their way, that's not true either.


Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
March 29, 2012, 08:18
<Proofreader>
quote:
Only a Jew can nowadays tell a joke about Jews, just as only black people can joke about the balck community without fear of giving offence.

Maybe in Europe.
March 29, 2012, 18:25
BobHale
quote:
Originally posted by Proofreader:
quote:
Only a Jew can nowadays tell a joke about Jews, just as only black people can joke about the balck community without fear of giving offence.

Maybe in Europe.


Not sure whether you mean that elsewhere it's OK for other people to tell Jewish or Black jokes or that elsewhere it isn't even acceptable for Jew's to tell jokes about Jews or black people to tell jokes about black people.


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
March 29, 2012, 19:17
<Proofreader>
Comedians in the US can certainly explore the vagaries of other eihnicities, although there is a limitation on the words used, such as what is euphemistically called "the N-word." But I've seen many stories about people in various European countries who have been hauled before some tribunal governing "hate speech" for the most innocuous remarks.
Example
March 29, 2012, 20:40
Kalleh
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Only a Jew can nowadays tell a joke about Jews,
I suppose I am a little sensitive about this since I am Jewish, but I don't think that's true. I've heard many Jewish jokes (funny ones!) that have been told by non-Jews, and it's fine. Think of all those lawyer, rabbi, priest jokes. And many more.
March 30, 2012, 04:02
arnie
Perhaps I worded that badly; maybe I should have said "Only a Jew can nowadays tell a joke against Jews".


Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
March 30, 2012, 05:50
<Proofreader>
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I should have said "Only a Jew can nowadays tell a joke against Jews".

Again, that seems to me to be a Ekurocentric attitude. In the US, you can make just about any remark without fear of a governmental intrusion on your freedom of speech. The general public may not like it, but you can't be hauled into court for it (civil court, aside).

Another example of something not found in US: Link

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March 30, 2012, 20:28
Kalleh
Interesting link, Proof. I am interested in what our British posters think about it.

As for jokes about certain ethnicities, I suppose there are some who consider them racist, but as long as they're in good taste, I think most don't care if non-Jews tell Jewish jokes or non-Polish people tell Polish jokes, and so on.
April 01, 2012, 07:09
bethree5
Just caught up w/this thread. Quote from the article: "adolescent levels of self-seriousness and entitlement"-- ah, now that's the Cornell I know, love, & remember well. Glad to see nothing much has changed on campus since the '60's...
April 02, 2012, 06:25
arnie
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Originally posted by Kalleh:
Interesting link, Proof. I am interested in what our British posters think about it.

It seems to be a nonsense. How that post is supposed to be racist I've no idea. The Facebook author's ideas may be anti-government or anti-army, and may not be popular but not racist. The British army is of course multi-racial. Or is the racism meant to be in the references to the local civilians? I just don't get it.


Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
April 09, 2012, 20:59
Kalleh
arnie, I think the issue with that article was more about free speech, than about racism. I just wondered if they were over-reaching in the article, and I suspect they were.