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January 08, 2005, 13:41
Hic et ubique
Where out of this World
aput raised a thought by saying here that he is "in favour of Ruritania or Grand Fenwick" (personally, I'd have suggested Fredonia Wink).

Grand Fenwick is the country featured in Peter Sellers' The Mouse that Roared; Fredonia is from the Marx Brothers' Duck Soup; and I have no clue about Ruritaninia.

But are those the original sources? What other mythical countries are there, and in what works were those countries created?
January 08, 2005, 14:21
Richard English
"Erewhon" by Samuel Butler, 1871

Erewhon is "nowhere" reversed and this work is a satire about a future in which machines become intelligent. Considered a ridiculous idea in 1871 it seems rather less so now.


Richard English
January 08, 2005, 14:37
BobHale
Ruritania is the fictional country where The Prisoner of Zenda is set.


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
January 08, 2005, 14:44
BobHale
Of course let's not forget

Lilliput
Blefescu
Brobdingnag
Laputa
Balnibarbi
Glubbdubdrib
Luggnagg
The Country of the Houyhnhnms
and, rather bizarrely, Japan.


"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money." Samuel Johnson.
January 08, 2005, 15:06
jheem
Erewhon

And, of course, Erewhon is a calque of the Greek Utopia (< ou- 'non' + topos 'place') from the book on the same title by Saint Sir Thomas More.
January 08, 2005, 15:31
wordnerd
quote:
Originally posted by jheem: Erewhon is a calque of the Greek Utopia (< ou- 'non' + topos 'place')
I'd thought Utopia was from Greek (< eu- 'good' + topos 'place')
January 08, 2005, 15:41
aput
No, eu- is a reanalysis, since in (modern) English eu- and u- sound the same. More's Latin Utopia can only represent the Greek Ou- 'no'.

I'm not sure whether the pun on eu- and u- would have worked in More's time; I suspect the two English pronunciations hadn't coalesced yet. But from (say) 1700 they had, and so we can treat 'utopia' as if it contains eu- and therefore form an opposite 'dystopia'.
January 08, 2005, 18:10
<Asa Lovejoy>
Narnia
Middle Earth
Avalon
January 08, 2005, 19:25
Caterwauller
Vulgaria, where Charactacus Potts flies his magnificent Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.


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January 08, 2005, 20:13
Kalleh
Of course we can't forget about Oz!
January 08, 2005, 20:20
Hic et ubique
CW, that's a new one on me.

CW: "where Charactacus Potts flies his ..."
Major General Stanley: "Then I can write a washing bill in Babylonic cuneiform, / And tell you ev'ry detail of Caractacus's uniform" (Gilbert & Sullivan, Pirates of Penzance)

Any connection here?
January 08, 2005, 21:07
<Asa Lovejoy>
quote:
Originally posted by Kalleh:
Of course we can't forget about Oz!

What? Oz is a real place! Kangarees and wallaboos and redback spiders live there with Sheilas and other strange critters!
January 09, 2005, 08:08
jheem
There's two Ozes though: one in the southern hemisphere, called by others Australia, and the imaginary land in a series of books by L Frank Baum. I'm sure she was referring to the latter and not the former.
January 09, 2005, 09:15
jerry thomas
Lest we forget, there's also the Land of Ahs, as in "Ah! Kansas!!

(This is apparently the product of a creative State-of-Kansas Public Relations person. Its aim is to change the popular idea that Kansas is flat and uninteresting, to invite the visitor to stop, look around, and be inspired to say, "Ah!")
January 09, 2005, 09:50
arnie
Speaking of Oz, there is also Norstrilia, from the eponymous book by Cordwainer Smith.


Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
January 09, 2005, 11:18
Caterwauller
quote:
Originally posted by jerry thomas:
Its aim is to change the popular idea that Kansas is flat and uninteresting, to invite the visitor to stop, look around, and be inspired to say, "Ah!")


But - Kansas IS flat and uninteresting. The only interesting to ever come out of Kansas, JT, is YOU!


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January 09, 2005, 11:55
<Asa Lovejoy>
quote:
Originally posted by jerry thomas:
Lest we forget, there's also the _Land of Ahs_, as in "__Ah! Kansas!!__

)


I think that's wrong! They took a pirate there, and he said, "Arrr, Kansas!" It got shortened to "Arkansas," which is a bit more interresting!

Oh, add Thuleto le list!
January 09, 2005, 14:33
jheem
And Zembla, not to be confused with Novaja Zemblja. I thought that Ultima Thule is what the Romans and the Greeks called Scandinavia.
January 09, 2005, 15:25
<Asa Lovejoy>
quote:
I thought that Ultima Thule is what the Romans and the Greeks called Scandinavia.


Welll, yes, but I've heard some more erudite folks than I (it wouldn't take much!) use it as a "Shargri-La." Ohh, there's another 'un! Big Grin
January 09, 2005, 16:16
jerry thomas
Shangri-La
January 09, 2005, 18:26
Caterwauller
quote:
Originally posted by Hic et ubique:
CW, that's a new one on me.

CW: "where _Charactacus_ Potts flies his ..."
Major General Stanley: "Then I can write a washing bill in Babylonic cuneiform, / And tell you ev'ry detail of _Caractacus_'s uniform" (Gilbert & Sullivan, _Pirates of Penzance)_

Any connection here?


You've never seen Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? So you don't know about Truly Scrumptious, either? Yikes! I have no idea if there is a connection to Pirates. Might be interesting to investigate.


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