June 25, 2003, 06:46
<Asa Lovejoy>Iteration
I'm puzzled by this word. I started to use it as though it had its original Latin meaning, i.e. a walk or journey, but thought to look it up first. To my surprise, my dictionary did NOT have that definition! I found that the base Latin word,
iter was only used in American English to mean an anatomical pathway. Can anyone explain the semantic perigrinations of iteration? How about in British English?
I've only heard iteration in use in calculations, to denote one complete cycle. Say you have a calculation (which could be a bit of software) which does the same thing over and over again, each run through would be an iteration...
Ros
June 25, 2003, 07:36
Graham NiceRe-iteration seems to be used instead of repeat on the BBC at the moment.
June 25, 2003, 09:43
Richard EnglishAcording to the OED, iterate means to repeat or state repeatedly (from the Latin, iterare itself from iterum (again).
The definition of reiterate seems to be almost exactly the same.
Maybe this is a word that has a similar (although probably older) genesis to that of "irregardless" (which, fortunately, has not yet found its way into the OED)
Richard English
June 25, 2003, 18:12
KallehRichard, we had this discussion before, and, to everyone's dismay, "irregardless" does appear in the
OED.June 26, 2003, 02:14
Richard EnglishI agree it's in the full OED but I generally use the concise. Even in the full OED the word is shown as non-standard.
Richard English
June 26, 2003, 06:19
Graham Nicequote:
Originally posted by Richard English:
Acording to the OED, iterate means to repeat or state repeatedly (from the Latin, iterare itself from iterum (again).
The definition of reiterate seems to be almost exactly the same.Richard English
Thank you for putting my mind at ease. Every time I hear people sat re-iterate when they mean repeat, I think they really mean iterate. Its definitely a pet peeve, so it is good to know I am right.
June 26, 2003, 07:30
pauldquote:
Originally posted by Richard English:
I agree it's in the full OED but I generally use the concise. Even in the full OED the word is shown as non-standard.
Richard English
Richard will correct me if I'm wrong, but the OED, as the dictionary of record, sees itself as descriptive, not prescriptive. Thus anything that people say or write -- good, bad or indifferent -- will be found in there. There are plenty of citations for the possessive
it's, for example.
So "because it's in the OED" should not be seen as any sort of endorsement. If one wants some guidance as to "good" English, something like the COED (or any reputable equivalent) is far preferable.
June 26, 2003, 20:27
Kallehquote:
So "because it's in the OED" should not be seen as any sort of endorsement. If one wants some guidance as to "good" English, something like the COED
That's a first for me. I have always considered the OED my gold standard for words, and I haven't even heard of the COED.
And, "irregardless" appears in the
New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1993), too. Now, as I said in that previous thread, I don't agree with the use of "irregardless"; yet, it does appear in most dictionaries. Is it in COED?
June 27, 2003, 01:38
Richard EnglishNot in my edition (1995) although I really ought get a newer one.
Richard English