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October 27, 2012, 06:48
GeoffSloyd
Ever hear of a sloyd? From the Swedish word, "slog," (Hence
slog as used in English from Yiddish?).
Here's a paper on the "sloyd" teaching method:
http://www.ibe.unesco.org/file...kersPdf/salomone.PDF I found it interesting, as stated in the last quotation, that it seemed to be the model for vocational education worldwide, yet it in and of itself disappeared.
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. -J. Krishnamurti
October 27, 2012, 08:38
zmježdNever heard of it, but the etymology I see in dictionaries is from Swedish
slöjd 'skill' from Old Norse
slœgð 'dexterity'. English
sleight (Old English
sleahte) is also from the same Old Norse word. Where'd you find the Yiddish etymology for English
slog? The usual one is that it's a vriant of
slug.
—Ceci n'est pas un seing.
October 27, 2012, 09:18
goofyOld Norse
slœgð is from
slœgr "clever, cunning", originally meaning "able to strike", from
slá "to strike", cognate with English
slay.
October 27, 2012, 09:22
Geoffquote:
Originally posted by zmježd:
sloyd
Where'd you find the Yiddish etymology for English
I didn't; I was just musing on the possibility, given that Salomon was Jewish. Since manual work was considered to be drudgery, it seemed to follow.
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. -J. Krishnamurti
October 29, 2012, 21:23
KallehI've not heard of it before. I thought it intriquing the way Geoff's site differentiated a sloyd from a carpenter:
quote:
Sloyd or handicrafts is the non-professional production of small objects made of wood or
metal. There are important differences between such handicrafts and trades such as, for example,
carpentry. In Salomon’s time no machines were used in handicrafts. The craftsman or woman,
when making their products, used different tools and a different approach to the work compared to
that of a carpenter (i.e. while the craftsman uses a knife, the carpenter prefers the chisel). In
commercial carpentry there is a division of labour; in handicrafts, none whatever.
Do we use it in English? It seems, from that article, quite Swedish specific.
October 30, 2012, 00:09
tinmanquote:
Originally posted by Kalleh:
I thought it intriguing the way Geoff's site differentiated a sloyd from a carpenter
A sloyd is not a person; a carpenter is. The OED Online says a
sloyd is "a system of manual instruction or training in elementary woodwork, etc., originally developed and taught in Sweden. The verb
sloyd (slöjd, etc.), and the ns.
sloyder,
sloydist, have also been occasionally employed."
Wikipedia has an article on
sloyd.
quote:
Originally posted by Kalleh:
Do we use it in English? It seems, from that article, quite Swedish specific.
I've never heard of it before. But it sounds pretty much like
arts and crafts.
October 30, 2012, 02:31
arnieThere's an interesting article on sloyd from the April 1890 edition of
Popular Science Monthly online here.
quote:
... ladies of queenly deportment all at present whittling or hammering, sawing or planing, like genuine carpenters, exercising many a delicate muscle now perhaps for the first time in their lives
Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
October 31, 2012, 20:30
Kallehquote:
A sloyd is not a person; a carpenter is.
Sorry, instead I should have compared the sloyd system to carpentry's. The person versus the system, of course, was not my point. My point was that carpenters use different tools (eg, knife, as compared to a chisel), the division of labor is quite different between the two, etc.
November 01, 2012, 06:30
GeoffThere is no division of labor in the sloyd system: one person does it all.
Here's the TV show where I heard about it:
http://video.pbs.org/program/woodwrights-shop/#
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. -J. Krishnamurti
November 01, 2012, 20:58
KallehBut isn't that true of carpenters, too?