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January 10, 2007, 18:55
wordnerd
"Booty"
In the comics:How did the word booty come to have two such disparate meanings?
January 10, 2007, 19:19
zmježd
How did the word booty come to have two such disparate meanings?

One or another of the theories. I first heard booty used in this sense back in the late '70s courtesy of Frank Zappa's album, Sheikh Yerbouti.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
January 10, 2007, 20:03
Kalleh
I hadn't realized that "booty" can mean "sexual intercourse" and "vulva or vagina." I have only seen it used to mean buttocks, as in "shake your booty!"

By the way, Wordnerd, don't forget about the baby's booty. They shake their "booties," too. Wink
January 10, 2007, 23:09
neveu
I had assumed that it was just the diminutive of "butt".
January 11, 2007, 01:36
Richard English
In the UK "booty" means only swag (stolen goods). I can't think of any exact synonym and I fear, like other perfectly good words without any precise synonym (gay, fag, hooter) it seems destined for oblivion in the half-world of smuttiness - in the USA anyway.


Richard English
January 11, 2007, 09:37
wordnerd
Quote: In the UK "booty" means only swag
Not so (recent UK press sightings [citings?] listed below), but I sense that this "buttocks" usage is a good deal less common in the UK than in the US.

Sky News, UK: see many more stars rocking their booty
Ministry of Sound, UK: playing a psychedelic stew of booty shaking music
the-raft.com, UK: get everyone's booty shakin'
Times Online, UK: can really act, as well as shake her booty.
Times Online, UK: a booty-shaking demonstration
Independent, UK: some good booty (the pirate kind, not the ass kind)
January 11, 2007, 13:10
arnie
I think the phrase "shake your booty" and minor variations has become moderately common with the younger British folk, presumably from the influence of American pop songs and TV. We probably wouldn't readily use it as a synonym for "bottom", though. Not being a younger British person any more, I can't be sure, however.


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January 11, 2007, 15:46
Seanahan
The term "booty call" means visiting a person for the sole purpose of having sex.
January 12, 2007, 01:11
Richard English
quote:
The term "booty call" means visiting a person for the sole purpose of having sex.

A US expression that hasn't become popular here. We would tend to say, "would you like to/can I come round for coffee/a drink". And if sex were not on the agenda of both the participants, then one or other would add an additional sentence as a caveat, "And I only mean coffee/a drink".

My literal mind would prefer the US system but I can't see it catching on here :-(


Richard English
January 12, 2007, 07:04
shufitz
Richard, my sense is that on this side of the pond, 'booty call' would only be used in speaking to a third party, and not in making a proposition to "the object of one's [intended] affections".

I do not speak from personal experience, you understand, and I trust the same is true of you!
January 12, 2007, 12:11
Richard English
quote:
I do not speak from personal experience, you understand, and I trust the same is true of you!

Of course. I have led an unblemished life (I regret to say).


Richard English
January 12, 2007, 13:59
Hic et ubique
quote:
would only be used in speaking to a third party, and not in making a proposition
Indirct language being preferred in the latter case:
January 13, 2007, 12:52
arnie
See also Update #2 on Language Log


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January 13, 2007, 14:44
markmywords48
Regarding "booty", pirates and swashbucklers the world over are hanging their heads at the changing meaning of their treasure(d) word, as did my ancient grandmother when she understood she no longer was able to use the word "gay" to mean lighthearted and happy.
As for words referring to the gluteus maximus, a bum is a homeless person in the USA, and would also possess one in the UK. As for "fanny ", let's just NOT GO THERE.
January 14, 2007, 21:16
shufitz
quote:
As for "fanny ", let's just NOT GO THERE.
That's an offer I can't refuse. Wink

I'm told that my grandmother, whose given name was Fanny, bemoaned what had happened to what had been a perfectly good name. Apparently the change is fairly recent, and the current meanings differ in the US and the UK. From Etymology Online:
January 15, 2007, 03:05
Caterwauller
My son was born in 1994. Unbeknownst to me, the "shake your booty" songs that I'd danced to in the 70's had morphed while I was busy elsewhere. I, like many people, thought that "booty" was just another (and rather cute) term for butt. I didn't become enlightened until a sign was posted at his preschool saying "booty is inappropriate language for our children. Please discourage them from using the term" or something like that. I was astonished! A bad word? When the teachers told me what it "really" meant in the slang of the day I about died! I guess I needed to be treated for acute cluelessness, too.

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January 15, 2007, 03:06
Caterwauller
Oh, and Hic? Excellent poem.


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January 15, 2007, 05:16
wordmatic
Having been out of close contact with adolescents for a decade now, I need to be admitted to the ACU (Acute Cluelessness Unit) myself! How interesting that both "booty" and "fanny" are anatomically confused words.

Wordmatic
January 15, 2007, 05:37
Richard English
The old Jazz standard, "strutting with some Barbecue" meant, in the slang of the time, "dancing with a very sexy partner". And the "dancing" was generally of the horizontal kind Red Face


Richard English
January 15, 2007, 06:37
markmywords48
Not to mention "jelly roll", "rock and roll", and "lovin' spoonfull".
January 15, 2007, 07:24
zmježd
Jazz, as well as rock 'n' roll, was a slang term for sexual intercourse.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
January 15, 2007, 09:41
neveu
Many years ago National Lampoon published cartographic cartoons of the human body with its various parts sized in proportion to the number of funny words for that part. The figures had small heads, tiny hands, practically no arms or legs, narrow shoulders, and enormous breasts, genitals and buttocks.
January 15, 2007, 09:55
Richard English
I'd heard of jazz (jass) but not rock and roll.


Richard English
January 15, 2007, 09:58
Hic et ubique
Quote: Oh, and Hic? Excellent poem.

Thanks, CW! It has many more verses, and you can find it with a quick google. Wink
January 15, 2007, 19:15
Caterwauller
Yup - Rock N Roll is still used, as far as I can tell, and I hear the kids talking about booty calls. . . . I also hear these terms:

hooking up
on call (always ready for . . .)
hangin'
shoop shoop
whoop whoop (I just wanna get some whoop whoop or "there's just sumthin' 'bout her whoop whoop" in a song by Cowboy Troy)
gettin' jiggy
got it goin' on

etc
Of course, if the Nice Library Lady knows the terms, they're probably already out of vogue.


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