May 23, 2006, 09:22
KallehA linguistics question (maybe...)
This question comes from OEDILF, and I don't even know if it really is a linguistics question, but I am told it is.
Judah posted this limerick:
Tea, milk, sugar—they stirred contemplation:
Distinct when they're in isolation...
They swirled and spun;
When the mixing was done,
What were many was one: adunation.
We didn't like line 1 because it was, as Mark Mironer said, "a mouthful."
Mark suggested this:
Tea, milk, honey—they stirred contemplation:
Distinct when they're in isolation...
They swirled and spun;
When the mixing was done,
What were many was one: adunation.
"With this comment: "honey" would be better also because it's metrically smoother (You can say "teemilKUNny" but you have to say "teemilk SHUgar" which is why the stress is so tough here.)
[I wish I knew the linguist terms to describe this stuff- I just know how it sounds in my head, which sounds like a line designed to get me commited to an asylum- except I don't really, because unless I knew that I was speaking to another linguist type, I'd want to avoid jargon. But I digress]"
Is there a linguistic term for this? I promised him I'd ask. I see his point; the
honey works better than
sugar because
honey seems to flow well with the first 2 words, but "sugar" is a whole new sound. At least that's my thinking on it.
May 23, 2006, 14:49
zmježdI can't really think of a term, Kalleh, but perhaps the first syllable of sugar, makes the last syllable of milk, heavier, whereas honey, beginning with a vowel does not. Elision? In any case, the first version takes more time to utter than the second one, again because it has more sounds at the problematic juncture. Hope that helps.
May 23, 2006, 20:31
KallehI hadn't heard of
elision before. That very well may be it, from reading the definition of it. It is an omission of an initial (or final) sound in the pronunciation, which is exactly what this would be with
honey versus
sugar.May 24, 2006, 07:35
KallehHere is question #2 from there:
"It's not just elision, is it? Even after you drop the H, there's the same number of syllables. It's the lack of "weight" on the end of milk, as your linguist called it, that we need a term for."
Perhaps there is no linguistic term for that?
May 24, 2006, 08:08
zmježdIt's called
syllable weight. Graphically, what I was trying to say is tha "milk, sugar" vs "milk, honey" is:
CVCCVC vs CVCVC
where the
h in honey, just becomes a short bit of aspiration on the word final
k. I suppose we could run it through some sound-spectrographic software.
May 24, 2006, 14:54
KallehThanks, Zmj, and I passed it along.
Even though you don't post on OEDILF, many know you there.
