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A new post (link) on Language Log by Mark Liberman
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A few days ago, Michelle Pauli in the Guardian's Books Blog asked "Which words make you wince?" (link).
So silly.


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People are even leaving comments on the Language Log post about words they hate.
 
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People are even leaving comments on the Language Log post about words they hate.

I am literally laughing out loud, figuratively speaking. I find it altogether cute and precious when the peevers get all atavistic on words they hate. Perhaps we should start a society to protect loathed lexical items from the wrath of the twee.


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I am literally laughing out loud, figuratively speaking.

That's a strange sentence.
 
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That's a strange sentence.

Is it the comma which weirds it? Or is it that I was not speaking, but rather typing?

A lot of the meaning of an utterance (or text in this case) is not encoded in the words, but rather in its cultural context. It helps to know that those who are upset by words like moist or poetics are oftentimes sent ballistic by the uses of literally to mean figuratively (link). Secondarily, but also apropos, are the txt vocabulary items, LOL and LLOL, for laugh out loud and literally laugh out loud (link).

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ROFLMAO Big Grin Cool


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The Daily Telegraph asked the question "What is the most annoying phrase in the English language?" and got like a jillion responses. The responses range from the uninformed:
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All split infinitives ("to boldly go") which are now entirely acceptable in American English. Another case of the Americanisation of English.


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But the the objec, like in 1984, is to destroy all social and histroic roots. Another example is the concerted media campaign to remove adequate English speaking and replace it with some bastardized Cockney called Esturay 'English'.
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...if adopting a foreign word into our language, we should take the trouble to pronounce it properly. If it is very difficult to pronounce, it would be better not to adopt it.

to the scary:
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In fact teenagers should have their lips stitched together until they have passed a written exam in the correct and appropriate use of English.

to the funny:
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How about tortologies like "reduce down", "past history". Or there the politicians' favourite: "absolutely right".
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Most annoying phrase in the English language......'The Daily Telegraph'. Second most annoying - anything at all that Lynne Truss says.
 
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That's a strange sentence.

Is it the comma which weirds it? Or is it that I was not speaking, but rather typing?

No, it's neither of those. It's the use of two words as synonyms that, to me, are polar opposites. The first comment to the article you linked to pretty well expresses my view:
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Certainly well-written, and it may be folly for non-credentialed amateur slobs such as myself to take up the counter charge, but let me give it a feeble attempt. Indeed, I was aware of the significant history of the usage of "literally" as an intensifier for "figuratively", but I was taken aback by some of the pedigree. Alcott, Clemens, Joyce! (Oh my!) Ultimately, the defenders of this usage "win" by virtue of the democratic nature of language. Usage is what it is, logic be damned. Here is what rubs me the wrong way: we don't have any serviceable alternatives!! What then, shall we use when we mean "exactly as described; in a literal way?" Our language is festooned with intensifying adverbs, many of them quite evocative and colorful, but "literally" in the correct sense (ok, "correct sense") has no substitute. A couple of candidates that come to mind are "really" and "actually." "Really" is obviously useless, as discussed in Sheidlower's essay. While "actually" may be a little more reliable, it has nevertheless been abused in the same way. Meanwhile, the figurative phrases to which "literally" is typically prepended are generally colorful and descriptive on their own, and rarely benefit from the addition--it is a generally superfluous intensifier. (Yes, this is merely my opinion, but show me otherwise! And, yes, I realize that "prepend" is considered jargon, but THERE is a useful coinage!) Those of us who fight the good fight for "literally" do so only to attempt to rescue a precise meaning which is otherwise very awkward to express. We are heirs to the great monastic tradition of the Middle Ages, laboring to preserve civilization against an uncaring, barbaric age. Hyperbole? Perhaps, I apologize, but the issue has me literally pulling my hair out. Or is that "figuratively" pulling my hair out? You'll never know, will you? Exactly.

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The Daily Telegraph asked the question "What is the most annoying phrase in the English language?" and got like a jillion responses. The responses range from the uninformed:

Presumably the spelling and other errors in the various responses were those of the writers - which gives one leave to wonder why they felt qualified to pronounce on the English language.


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That's an instance of Muphry's Law in action.


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It's the use of two words as synonyms that, to me, are polar opposites.

But, I was using literally figuratively and figuratively literally. Yours is a grand view; it's just not mine.

Ultimately, the defenders of this usage "win" by virtue of the democratic nature of language. Usage is what it is, logic be damned. Here is what rubs me the wrong way: we don't have any serviceable alternatives!!

We have nothing but usage to go on. Logic has very little to do with language.That there is no alternative is another nail in this tired argument's coffin. That's why literally is being used in this way. In fact, there are some who have argued, convincingly, that all language is figurative or metaphor.


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And Murphy was an optimist.

(That's an old one, not mine)


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