Daylight Saving Time [+1] is in effect in USA from the first Sunday in April to the last Sunday in October, though some States have regional variations. Summer Time [GMT +1] is in effect in the UK (and all of Europe except Iceland) from 0100 GMT on the last SUNDAY in March (until 0200 GMT on the last Sunday in October).
So there will be only one day - the first Saturday in April - where there will be a discrepancy.
Richard English
Posts: 7087 | Location: Partridge Green, West Sussex, UK
So most of the USA will be an hour out of synch with most of the rest of the daylight saving world for nearly a month.
Well, I guess no 2009 DST wins out anyway, at least according to this DST site. However, if you do look at the dates when they change, they surely are not standard. Indeed, looking at the UK you see that Bermuda, Turks, Caicos Islands, and the Falkland Islands all go to DST on March 8th.
and the Falkland Islands all go to DST on March 8th.
Definitely not the Falkland Islands! Although a British colony (one of the few we have left) it is in the Southern Hemisphere. Its DST change (like all Southern Hemisphere countries that change) will be six months different from the Northern Hemisphere's.
Bermuda, like most other countries in North America that change, will tend to stick to the US change time as that causes marginally less confusion viz a viz the USA but more viz a viz Europe.
Frankly I think the whole idea of time change is a bad one and it is made even worse by the fact that many countries don't stick to the change dates that were agreed some years ago and go their own sweet ways.
Richard English
Posts: 7087 | Location: Partridge Green, West Sussex, UK
In fact, although I agree it's confusing, the site's information was accurate but your transcription missed a vital piece of information. The full entry is for the Falklands is:
Falkland Islands Stanley Sunday, September 6 Sunday, April 19
So their summer time is our winter time.
Richard English
Posts: 7087 | Location: Partridge Green, West Sussex, UK
It's simple enough really: countries in the Southern Hemisphere (of which the Falklands is one) have their summers from October to June; countries in the Northern Hemisphere have theirs from June to October. Daylight saving times, when they apply, only apply during the summer and thus the Falklands will move its clock forward in our autumn (their spring) and back in our spring (their autumn) - the exact opposite to us.
Richard English
Posts: 7087 | Location: Partridge Green, West Sussex, UK
Oh, yes. I just went back to the site and saw the error of my ways. I was wrong about the Falkland Islands, you are right.
To be fair the site was not as clear as it might have been and, by including all the British territories under the one heading, it's an easy mistake to make.
And we now have to decide what to do about the chat: leave it as 1200 CDT (which is 1700 GMT) or change it to 1300 CDT, which is 1800 GMT.
Edited to correct mathematical error.
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Richard English
Posts: 7087 | Location: Partridge Green, West Sussex, UK
And we now have to decide what to do about the chat: leave it as 1200 CDT (which is 1700 GMT) or change it to 1100 CDT, which is 1800 GMT.
Well, in the past we've always used GMT (meaning that the chat is an hour earlier for those in the US for a few weeks). That also caused confusion, with some people missing the chat, or logging in an hour early and wondering why no-one was around ...
I am, however, biased as it wouldn't mean a change for me. I would definitely find it easier to log in at 1800 my time than 1700, though.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions, Come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!
I'll make an executive decision and change the chat to 1300 CDT, which would be 1800 GMT. I hope that doesn't confuse people who don't check the forum.
We'll see you on Saturday. I missed the chat last week, so am looking forward to it this week. My schedule has been a killer the last few weeks. I hope it improves!
We had to change the time, WM, for the British contingency. They're slow in going to daylight savings time [ ] so we're keeping it at 1800 GMT until they change, which is 2:00 pm, EDT.
Jerry, are you using Internet Explorer? I can no longer get in with Internet Explorer, and it gives the same message. I am using Mozilla Firefox, though I can also get in with Google Chrome.
oops. I saw the 1:00 p.m. CDT, and since 1 p.m. is usually when it is for me, I didn't notice the "D" or think. Is it the first weekend in April that US and UK daylight savings times align?
WM
Posts: 1135 | Location: Near Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
There is another chat today, though Shu and I will be going to the Oriental Institute, and possibly the Robie House, at the University of Chicago with Bob's friend.
Today's chat will begin at 1:00 pm CDT, which is 1800 GMT. Am I correct that the UK goes on Daylight Saving's Time today? If so, we'll be back to normal for the Americans next week (12:00, pm, CDT).
Why don't you ask President Obama to get the US back in step with the rest of the hemisphere, Kalleh?
Oh, my. This is arnie talking? Well, arnie, we posted above how all the countries vary for when they change to daylight saving's time. This definitely isn't the situation where the U.S. is out of step. The world is out of step!
Anywho...tomorrow is the chat again. It will be at 12:00 CDT as usual. I'll let those who are confused go to the Internet to see when that is in their country.
He's not, but I am just not going to get into it again. I posted above all the different countries and when they change...at all different times.
All I meant by the "world being out of step" is that the world is quite inconsistent on when they change (or if they change) to DST. I did not mean that the U.S. invented DST or that we are right and the rest of the world is wrong.
There must be a word about those discussions that just keep coming up, month after month after month...
Around 15 years ago there was a fairly concerted effort to standardise DST in the northern hemisphere and for a while it nearly worked. All the EU changed on the last Sunday in March and the last Sunday in October - and still does. North America changed to summer time a week earlier and back to winter time on the same date as the EU.
Sadly, instead of modifying this near conformity between the two most important northern hemisphere areas, to complete conformity - which needed no more than a one-week shift by either North America or the EU, the US Congress decided to change the USA's dates (which meant that Canada had little option but to follow suit) and we now have even greater difficulties than are always implicit in clock changes.
There are many smaller countries and areas that have different clock changes but it would have been eminently sensible, if clock change is to happen at all (and there's no real reason why it should), that it all happens during the same 24-hour period. Sadly, the history of politics is largely one of disgreement between countries, it seems to me. It's a pity that politians aren't more like engineers who, in spite of not always being successful, have striven for standards and standardisation since at least the time of Joseph Whitworth (did you know, by the way, that all cameras use, and have always used, the British Standard Whitworth (BSW) thread in their tripod mount?)
Richard English
Posts: 7087 | Location: Partridge Green, West Sussex, UK
Well, nobody but Richard and I showed up. He soon left for dinner, and I left after three-quarters of an hour. The client keeps crashing Firefox on me. Maybe next week.
You know, Bob. Why don't you and I start an alternate chat on Sundays UTC 1600 (PDT 0900)? Can you get through to IRC with your phone carrier / ISP? There are some good IRC clients for Wintel, Mac, and Linux. I use the Chatzilla plug-in for Firefox or Pidgin (the IM client formerly know as Gaim). Contact by PM if you're interested. All others are invited also.
I am sorry. At the last moment something came up, and Shu and I couldn't get on.
Bob, I so much wish you could join us. There must be something that could be done. I am happy to change the time or place if you'd like, but I don't understand what you're suggesting, z.
Tomorrow's the chat at 17:00 GMT or 12:00 noon, CDT. Come Hell or high water (as my Dad says), I will be there this week!
Please remember that, for some reason, you can't use Internet Explorer for the chats. However, there was going to be some work on our server this week (I forgot to alert folks), so maybe they've changed that.
Did z and Bob meet up in a chat? If so, I think we'd all be very happy to change our chat venues to somewhere else, for Bob's sake. Just let us know.
