Could someone with a better grasp of recent history than I provide a link to a report of the announcement of the U.S. Socialist leader declaring that all of Socialism's goals had been met in this country

Yes I have Googled it, but trouble is, for the life of me I can't recall his name

No, I'm serious, I need it for an Op-Ed I'm working on

Thanks guys

The only Socialist leader I can think of is Eugene V. Debs, and he's long dead. But then George Orwell's dead, but his predicted world isn't.

Asa: Then there's Norman Thomas too. But the lit is so voluminuous I had hoped we might harbor a history buff who would toss it off off the top of his head

I don't think this is who you want, but J.W. Smith said something of the kind in 2004. Here is the web link: http://www.ied.info/columns/radford.html.

You could, BTW, just say in your op ed that it doesn't matter who said it because it is so patently and ridiculously wrong that it isn't worth talking about. (My dissertation concerns this and I could explain why but I won't bore you.)

Beth: Thank you for that link

I'm not so sure it's wrong, but that's not to say that what we have wound up with is so bad, after all

Living on the Dole as we do,in a 3300-sq-ft house and a barn with living accommodations; with 3 cars, olympic-size pool, 3 tv's; eating well, supporting 215 thirsty trees and a cat; downing a nice, cold imported beer every day....

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Living on the Dole as we do,in a 3300-sq-ft house and a barn with living accommodations; with 3 cars, 3 tv's; eating well, supporting 215 thirsty trees and a cat; downing a nice, cold imported beer every day....

I wanna know what dole you are on so I can get on it too!

Beth: Just SocSec. However, we did have a few bucks in the bank when we retired, and aside from my imported brews we don't have any expensive habits, tho Laverne does buy bottled water; while the house is all paid for

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downing a nice, cold imported beer every day....

Only the one?

Yes, except when have visitors and need to be sociable

Otherwise average one a day by downing two then skipping a day

I have to do it this way because alky even in small amounts has a very untoward effect on the old and infirm; so this gives me a day to recover

Except Tuesday when I allow myself 3; but then I skip 2 days

But thank you for asking. I am ever so happy to discuss almost anything with almost anybody

Dale, You've spent a lot of time thinking about it, and got it all figgered out. Or so it seems.

Just doing the arithmetic and accounting of your system would drive me to drink !

In my own experience the idea that ethyl alcohol is essential to sociability is a MYTH. I was a 35-year-old salesman when I decided that for some 20 years I had been drinking more than my fair share. Mental blackouts were a bother.

After going through various stages, I quit Totally, and my total abstinence survived the mythical threat that sociability is impossible without a few drinks. Informal research showed that 99.9 percent of my companions could not have cared less what I was drinkiing. They are interested primarily in themselves.

I took my last drink (Schlitz Malt Liquor -- tall can) on 15 May 1965, and I have no regrets about that.

A man's gotta believe in something; I believe you guys are gonna have another beer.

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I took my last drink (Schlitz Malt Liquor -- tall can) on 15 May 1965, and I have no regrets about that.

Of course, had it been real beer that you'd been drinking, you might have missed the experience more.

I have just had a couple of pints of a beer I'd not tried before - Quick Hound from the Cottage Whippet brewery. A very fine brew, full of flavour with lemony overtones (cascade hops, maybe). Easy drinking even ar 4.3% and definitely a brew I shall seek out again.

That tall can was the last of a 12-pack consumed in about four hours.

Had I but known 41 years ago of the Richard English Beer Consulting Service, I might have given you a call for advice on the Right Kind of beer to drink.

It might have changed my life!

I might have amounted to something.

Oh, well !!

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It might have changed my life!

It wouldn't have been the first life I've changed in the bibulous sense :-)

jerry: You were wise indeed to quit. By coincidence, last night I violated my program and was very sociable, but this morning I am wracked with guilt

Winston Churchill said, "I have taken far more from whisky than whisky has ever taken from me".

I would say the same about my relationship with fine beer (and some other drinks).

I believe it's the abuse of alcohol that harms, not the responsible use of it.

A bit of irony in my drunkalogue's current context ... During that little binge I was totally alone -- no sociability there (or is it Socialism ? )

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I might have amounted to something.

Seems to me that you turned out great, JT!

Yes, Jerry. I have learned so much from you over the years (and visiting you, too!).

I know that this is totally off subject (though we are talking about alcohol!), but considering all our beer connoisseurs I just have to tell you! Yesterday we were taking my sister around Chicago, and we stopped into a bar for a beer. While the beer wasn't all that bad (Bass, Guinness, Stella Artois, Boddington, and a couple others; no Bud or Miller), just down the street there was a great bar with a wonderful selection and some cask conditioned beer. So I just had water, though my sister and husband had something. The bartender was from London...and I am proud to say that he called me a "beer snob!" He was very nice about it, and he knew that the Clark Street Ale House was just down the street, and that their beer is much better.

I have learned from you British posters!

Many of the people who call other snobs do so from their own position of ignorance.

A snob is one who buys or uses an item or service simply because it is perceived to be "special" or "upper class" - even if he or she actually doesn't like it all that much.

A connoisseur (which you have become in beer) is one who buys or uses and item or service because he or she believes it to be better or more suitable.

I run a Rolls-Royce because I enjoy using a fine piece of automotive engineering. I am a connoiseur of fine motor cars. If I ran one solely because it is perceived by some a status symbol, then I would be a snob.

Richard, I'm not sure exactly what you mean in that context by the word "run". Do you mean you drive a Rolls-Royce? If so, this is an interesting usage.

We use the term "run" quote commonly in UK English. There is a nice distinction here: to drive a motor car does not necessarily mean one owns it - it might be a hire car or a vehicle one drives for a living. To own a motor car does not necessarily mean that one drives it; it might be in a museum.

But if one runs a motor car then it is assumed that one both owns and drives it - as is the case with me and my Rolls-Royce.

The active ingredient is Ethyl Alcohol (C2H5OH). To the dipsomaniac it's all the same -- rotgut moonshine whisky, fine wine, cheap beer or the beers and ales approved by the connoisseur.

To the dipsomaniac one immediate effect of a drink is to cause the alcoholic mind to come up with a long list of overwhelmingly persuasive reasons for having another. And so on. Hence the saying, "One drink's too many and a hundred's not enough."

For some folks, one of those reasons for having another drink is their belief that booze is a fine lubricant for the mechanisms of social intercourse.

I say this is nonsense. Others disagree.

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An exercise in Rhetoric ....


With the belief that it's somewhat relevant,
this has been dredged up from WordCraft Archives.


if-by-whiskey speech – southern US regionalism: a speech coming down emphatically on both sides on an issue

From the days when any good southern politician had a speech of this sort at the ready, concerning his views on spiritus ferminti. Several such passages are of record, of which this is the best. Supposedly from a Mississippi legislator in 1958.
 
You have asked me how I feel about whiskey; well, Brother, here's how I stand.

If by whiskey you mean the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean that evil drink that topples Christian men and women from the pinnacles of righteous and gracious living into the bottomless pits of degradation, shame, despair, helplessness, and hopelessness, then, my friend, I am opposed to it with every fiber of my being.

However, if by whiskey you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the elixir of life, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean Christmas cheer, the stimulating sip that puts a little spring in the step of an elderly gentleman on a frosty morning; if you mean that drink that enables man to magnify his joy, and to forget life's great tragedies and heartbreaks and sorrow; if you mean that drink the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of dollars each year, that provides tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitifully aged and infirm, to build the finest highways, hospitals, universities, and community colleges in this nation, then my friend, I am absolutely, unequivocally in favor of it.

This is my position, and as always, I refuse to be compromised on matters of principle.
 

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There is a nice distinction here: to drive a motor car does not necessarily mean one owns it - it might be a hire car or a vehicle one drives for a living.

I don't think we have that same distinction in the U.S., do we? We surely wouldn't say "run a car."

We wouldn't normally say it, but I certinly understood it. We might say "I'm running a new engine in my old car," so something similar, though.

To hell with whether you run the car or not, I just want to marry Richard. Great beer and a Rolls Royce to boot. I might even get on an airplane for that.

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We might say "I'm running a new engine in my old car," so something similar, though.

We talk about "running in" a new engine for a car. That is, we don't go at really fast speeds, accelerate from 0-60 in 6 seconds, etc, for a few months or a certain number of miles covered.

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To hell with whether you run the car or not, I just want to marry Richard. Great beer and a Rolls Royce to boot. I might even get on an airplane for that.

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That is, we don't go at really fast speeds, accelerate from 0-60 in 6 seconds, etc, for a few months or a certain number of miles covered.

Of course, new Rolls-Royces (along with VW Beetles) don't need running in. The Company say "...Your new motor car is already fully run in and can be driven at its full potential immediately. However, we do recommend that speed be kept down for the first one hundred miles to allow the new tyres to flex..."

Rolls-Royce, of course, do not make tyres - which is why they are the only thing you can hear when a Rolls-Royce passes you.

Forgive me for bubbling this one back up but somehow it got sidetracked onto motorcars. In the meantime I wonder if anyone might by chance have run across a source that would satisfy the original thead--thanks all