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Here is a TED talk on this issue. I know we've talked about it before, but she presents some good evidence. I particularly was struck by the brain scan differences when cultures have many different names for different blue colors, versus those that just have variations. I also thought it interesting that cultures that have gender nouns tend to describe masculine ones with more masculine descriptors (large) or feminine ones with more feminine words (pretty). Or - Aboriginal communities describe almost everything by directions (east and west), rather than by left or right. Your thoughts? | ||
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We also should certainly reinforce our prior belief that, as Lane Greene aptly put it, "language nudges thought (in certain circumstances)". Even modest statistical differences in the way that different language communities tend to express things may correlate with modest differences in the way that their members remember things, if the experimental circumstances are carefully calibrated to produce memory performance in a range that allows these effects to be measured. Boroditsky and Liberman had a debate on this on the Ecomonist website. The subject was “Does language shape thought?" Boroditsky was for, Liberman was against. The page is gone, but I saved this from Liberman’s closing remarks: This message has been edited. Last edited by: goofy, | |||
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Interesting, Goofy. Isn't this similar to Chomsky's view? | |||
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Chomsky said that languages were only superficially different. At a deeper level all languages are the same. Boroditsky seems to disagree. She seems to think that different languages are different at a deeper level. I don’t think the evidence we have found (that language nudges thought in certian circumstances) has any bearing on the theory of Universal Grammat.This message has been edited. Last edited by: goofy, | |||
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What did you think of her comments about languages with gender nouns attributing gender descriptors to them? Unfortunately I only know Spanish and I didn't notice that. But does it seem to be the case for other languages? | |||
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The TED talk site used to have footnotes but they are gone. So I dont know what research she bases this claim on. | |||
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In this article she says something similar. https://www.edge.org/conversat...ape-the-way-we-think And she says: “And we can also show that it is aspects of language per se that shape how people think: teaching English speakers new grammatical gender systems influences mental representations of objects in the same way it does with German and Spanish speakers.” Here a lifetime of linguistic and cultural influence is easily overwhelmed. Her reference is: http://lera.ucsd.edu/papers/gender.pdf L. Boroditsky et al. "Sex, Syntax, and Semantics," in D. Gentner and S. Goldin-Meadow, eds., Language in Mind: Advances in the Study of Language and Cognition (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 2003), 61–79.This message has been edited. Last edited by: goofy, | |||
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This is worth reading. In order to remove the cultural factor, they taught native English speakers a grammatical distinction in a fictional language (section 4.7). The subjects described objects in the masculine grammatical category with adjectives judged to be masculine, the same way Spanish and German speakers did. But to me this means that English speakers learned a new grammatical system and it quickly affected their thinking. Yes language nudges thought, but thought can be easily nudged in a different direction. | |||
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