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I'd never heard this phrase until a couple years ago and then I started hearing it and seeing all over. Is it just me or was there some kind of...sea change?
 
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Hmmm. I can't say that I've noticed that use of the phrase is any more common recently. I'll keep an eye open.


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I do think it's much over-used these days. Though Fowler complained of it as a cliché in Modern English Usage, I hadn't been much aware of it till recent years.

It's usually used just as a synonym for 'change', which is utterly wrong: effectively a misquotation. The original context is a very special, slow kind of change: those are corals that were his eyes; nothing of him doth remain, but hath suffered a sea change into something rich and strange. Stripping the phrase of this imagery makes a mockery of it.
 
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My sense of sea change is that it need not be a very gradual transformation -- though it certainly was in the instance aput cites. I read it as a thorough and complete change, not abrupt but not necessarily slow either.

I think that's equally in accordance with the Shakespeare's passage. There the change was very slow -- but Shakespeare's point is that it was very complete. Let me quote a bit more than aput did.
    Full fathom five thy father lies;
    Of his bones are coral made;
    Those are pearls that were his eyes:
    Nothing of him that doth fade
    But doth suffer a sea-change
    Into something rich and strange.
    Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell
 
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I had always thought it to mean "profound change," though I suppose a profound change takes time. Quinion has a similar point to aput's about it being used wrong. Apparently it began to be used in the late 1900s. In Shakespeare's original quote there was a hyphen, though modern dictionaries don't have the hyphen.
 
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Hm - I've never heard it used in conversation. I might try it out this week and see if anyone around me knows what the heck I'm talking about. I love doing that.


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Langauage Inflation:
I suppose that we can't just have changes anymore becuase they have to be sea changes, just like we can't just have benfits anymore, becuase they have to be real benefits.
 
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Hm, I give myself 7/10, not too bad I suppose for one of the few occasions when I can't be bothered to look a quotation up. 'Remain' for 'fade' is interesting: I don't understand what 'that doth fade but...' means, so I re-engineer it.
 
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I am impressed, aput! I would have to give you a 9.99/10. Wink
 
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