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I appeal to the good folk of Wordcraft to help me find a better word. Accountants I know are offering a course in the new Excel, offering to help users "manipulate sheets..."

Surely there is a better, or at least more tasteful, usage? Accountants must do something other than "manipulate."

From Etymological dictionary: "from L. manipulus "handful, sheaf," from manus "hand" (see manual) + root of plere "to fill" (see plenary). Sense of "skillful handling of objects" is first recorded 1826; extended 1828 to "handling of persons" as well as objects. Manipulative is from 1836; manipulate is from 1831."

Fascinating that it is cognate to "mandate," "manual," "manciple" and "manner."


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"manipulate sheets..."

It seems to me that manipulate spreadsheets is pretty well established by now. Why choose a new term and confuse the oldtimers? There's a lot to manipulate or handle: creating, deleting, calculating (with), etc. You could say "use spreadsheets", I suppose, but then you wouldn't be getting your hands dirty by hands-on manipulation ... I'm sure one of the more rigorously minded amongst us will give you better and more serious suggestions. (Just, please, nothing along the liens of how to thumb a drive.)


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... while we wait, here's another ... handy link.
 
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zmježd makes a good point on usage. It's not that "manipulate" is inherently bad. Rather, it has just been keeping bad company, post-Enron (see below).

"On May 20, 2003, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) issued a final rule, as directed by Section 303 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, making it unlawful for officers and directors of public companies, and persons acting under their direction, to coerce, manipulate, mislead or fraudulently influence the company’s..."


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I think it's just that manipulate has more than one meaning.

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1: to treat or operate with or as if with the hands or by mechanical means especially in a skillful manner
2 a: to manage or utilize skillfully b: to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage
3: to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose
 
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Yep!

I wonder, if you applied for a course on how to manipulate spreadsheets expecting goofy's definitions 2b or 3, and instead got taught definition 2a, could you ask for your money back? Wink


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Yeah, but ... (reinforcing Robert's point, and somewhat questioning goofey),

While it's true that 'manipulate' can properly be used in a neutral or even laudatory sense (or at least, could be in the past), isn't it also true that it in practice it almost always has a negative connotation?

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I was thinking that, too, Wordnerd, but I wonder if perhaps those in accounting and computers actually don't see it as negatively as the rest of us do. That is the problem with multiple definitions, I agree. It also might be a good reason to come up with a different word. Many of us perceive this use of the word negatively, there is no getting around that.
 
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