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Recently, I heard the expression "hand waving," as in "How was the speech?" "Oh, it was a lot of hand waving," meaning a lot of empty rhetoric or hot air.

Along with this one is the expression "foot stamping," used to mean that the speaker was most emphatic in conveying his/her empty thoughts to the audience.

I had never heard either of these expressions used to mean anything but their literal meanings and was surprised to find this definition in the AHD:
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NOUN: Usually insubstantial words or actions intended to convince or impress: resorted to hand waving instead of arguing rationally.


Has anyone else ever heard or used these phrases in this way?

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Since most of what I say is in this category, it seems a common expression. However, I have recently used these expressions less. Now, when someone passes gas, I say, "Running for office?"

I suspect the expression you've inquired about goes back at least to Shekespeare's day. "A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
 
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Yes, but I had never heard either expression used in that way in my life--yet several others in this other discussion had. They were all men who worked in business or engineering, except for one, who was a philosophy professor! Possibly I just never "got it" when hearing these expressions used in this manner, or maybe they are more common in some regions than in others.

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"Hand waving" is certainly fairly common in the UK; "foot stamping" less so.


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I haven't heard them used that way, WM.

Foot stomping to me can either mean you're angry and stomp away. Or it can mean you're excited, such as stomping your feet at a sports game. Hand waving? Well I haven't heard it used except when someone is waving his/her hands.
 
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I heard hand-waving used metaphorically quite often in a software engineering environment, as in 'his approach is nothing more than a lot of hand-waving'.
–noun
insubstantial words, arguments, gestures, or actions used in an attempt to explain or persuade.
[Random House Dict. 2009]
 
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I've heard both used metaphorically.
Out of interest, do Americans use "hand wringing" to describe phoney displays of remorse?


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Originally posted by wordmatic:
...They were all men who worked in business or engineering..

That may be key, Wordmatic. I worked in the paper-pushing end of an engineering firm during the '70' & '80's. My nerdy colleagues were forever circulating tongue-in-cheek expressions for the fatuosity of management. Alas I wish I had kept a journal, memory fails. My bf (now husband) & I were both fairly good at cartooning & used to while away our time depicting, Dilbert-style, organization charts with 4-way stops and cul-de-sacs, bean-counters, dog-&-pony shows, etc etc.
 
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Originally posted by BobHale:
Americans use "hand wringing" to describe phoney displays of remorse?

Yes, unless you're the former Vice President.
 
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