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One of my Chinese friends is writing a thesis on the poems of Kenneth Rexroth. From time to time he asks me for the meaning of word or phrase and, until now, I have been able to answer every question. However...

Today he has come across the line "Thought wanders like goose-crossed smoke." and I have had to admit that I haven't the faintest idea what that means. Anyone here ever encountered this phrase? Googling just brings up copies of the poem that it comes from.
 
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Geese fly away; smoke dissipates. Impermanence is the issue, IMHO.
 
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But why "goose crossed"?
 
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Just a terrible mixed metaphor? And why "crossed"?
 
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Someone on one of my facebook groups suggests that the image is of smoke from a fire rising and geese flying through it causing it to drift apart and so the idea is of the thoughts breaking into other thoughts and, as you suggested, dissipating.
 
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Never heard it put that way before, but that's what I would come up with if you asked me to interpret it.
 
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Not apropos the question, but since it popped into my mind I'll post it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9VrgRIgOK0
 
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...and while we're on the subject - "Go Tell Aunt Rhody that the old grey goose is dead".

(This is an early Burl Ives album, and Aunt R is a good way down, at 15:45.)

I grew up with this very album, 75 years ago! (Okay, okay, it was only 73...)

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I have no idea, Bob. i couldn't find anything about it in Google.
 
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Annnnd, let's not forget "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2di83WAOhU

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Yup, that one, too.
 
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Definitively.

(Is there any indication on your screen that that's a clickable link? They used to appear as a different colour on my screen but now they look like the rest of the text so that it's only by mouse over that I know there's a link there at all. Not very user friendly. I will edit the post to bold it and make it clearer but it's irritating to have to do that.
 
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I must be too old. I've not heard any of those Goose-themed songs. I know about this Goose, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_G-21_Goose

Oh, and I remember the Beach Boys song, "Little Goose Poop."https://genius.com/The-beach-boys-little-deuce-coupe-lyrics Oh, my mistake. I must have misheard "deuce coupe." No wonder I never understood it.
 
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As for the link, Bob, it was underlined so that would indicate to me it's a link.
 
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The flock-passing-smoke / transience is most likely, but I instinctively went to smoked-goose...


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Good one, RJA! Thanks for returning!
 
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Interesting, Robert. I looked and looked on Google and found lots of weird things - but nothing like that.
 
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Guess I'm just lucky with food...
https://www.thespruceeats.com/...-goose-recipe-335509


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Now, that looks great!
 
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Goosey goosey gander,
Whither do you wander?
Upstairs and downstairs
And in my lady's chamber...


As a teen I told my mother this nursery rhyme always gave me a really bad feeling-- was there something in my past she wasn't telling me about?
Yes but not what I imagined: when I was about 18 months old the landlady's goose-- taller than I was-- waddled over and bit me. Eek
 
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That is really weird, Bethree. I am sure that's it. Kids are more perceptive than we think.
 
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Ouch! Geese can bite much harder than most people realize. Been there, have the t-shirt.
I've also been "goosed" by a duck. Lesson: Never get between a mama goose or duck and her offspring!

If one believer Bruno Bettelheim, all nursery rhymes and fairy tales have dark messages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uses_of_Enchantment
 
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We forget how hard life was for our ancestors, how the plague inspired "ring around the roses"
It's a wonder we can read fairy tales with a smile.


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Originally posted by Robert Arvanitis:
We forget how hard life was for our ancestors, how the plague inspired "ring around the roses"
It's a wonder we can read fairy tales with a smile.


The way the world has been going recently, I'm trying to forget how hard things will be for our descendants.
 
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Descendants??? What an optimist!

RJA is, I think, dead-on right. Imagine Disney doing fairy tales as they were originally. Not syrupy kid stuff. Grimm indeed.
 
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Geoff, you and Bob are a bit negative. Wink

Times will get better. We just have to be patient and do our best to promote real change.
 
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