I of course came across several double-dactyl lists while googling to find quotes for higgledy-piggledy. Let me particularly share that there were many fine ones in this thread, in the "glyph" forum mentioned elsewhere.
1. What's wrong with the sixth line? and
2. Why ask for help especially from the Brits?
(While they may have their unique historical perspective on the events outlined, you can't beat us Yanks for omnivoraciousness.)
The More Things Change, the More
They Stay the Same. (Mostly)
Ms Christine Jorgensen
Back in the 50's was
Much in the news.
Focused attention on
Dealing with one of life's
A self-graded "B", flawless yet pedestrian. No zip. No pop. On the plus side, Ms Jorgensen's life and unusual circumstances made her the butt of a million sophmoric jokes, all of which I ignored here.
I had to google her to confirm my recollection that hers was a 50's story and, in reading her bio, was surprised to learn that she had passed away just short of her 63rd birthday in 1989. I bought a paperback edition of her autobiography some 20 or 30 years ago and still haven't read it...
CJ, it had pop for me! While the name didn't really follow the meter that well (neither did Iraq's Sadam Hussein, though, and you gave yourself an A+ on that one), I thought the message was quite clever. But, then, I am a mere amateur.
Well "JORgensen" is perfect and "MIZ christine" I'd say was 95% there. My but we're getting picky!
Regarding "Iraq," while it's usually pronounced "eye-RACK," I've also heard it with both syllables being given equal stress so I thought "Iraq's Suddam Hussein" would fly. TrossL's suggestion that I refer to Sir LooneyTunes as "Mister," while in keeping with the proper DD format, seemed to be a tad overly respectful under the circumstances. If "Mister Saddam Hussein" works for you (and, now that I consider it, it certainly does for me) I won't complain.
Okay, CJ, so I like to argue with you, I guess!
Picky? This coming from the guy who can't accept the rhymes of "words" and "girls". Give a girl a break!
I would not say "MIZ Christine", but "Miz ChrisTINE". As I have said on this board numerous times, I had not even heard of double dactyls until this board, so I am hardly an expert. However, I am married to not only an expert, but also a perfectionist. I have wanted to write about so many fun people, and Shoo simply says, "Hon, it doesn't work." Shoo disagreed with my DD about "Simon E. Winchester", which I loved BTW, because, "Hon, you cannot add a middle initial." My point? While you fudge a bit with your meter and give yourself an A+, Shufiz calls that a fatal flaw and wouldn't even post it. Yet, he, along with me, loved the limerick with "words" and "girls". Each to his/her own. That's my point. You're not right or wrong, nor am I. Tis a matter of taste.
Ah, TrossL, this is merely a discussion--I could never fight with CJ (argue, maybe ; fight, no!) My point was that it is a matter of taste. While CJ doesn't like poetry that doesn't rhyme perfectly, Shufitz prefers his DDs well-metered and composed with perfection. He doesn't even like the 6-syllable name to be one that isn't commonly used. For example, my double dactle about "Richard the Englishman" didn't work, in his mind, because Richard is not known as "the Englishman". For me(perhaps because I wrote the DD?!), that is going too far!
I can only say that I am glad I am in DC now because I can imagine his response to "Wordcrafter Board Posters"!
At any rate, this was all in fun, at least from me!
For what it's worth, T., I prefer your first version. It's got a bit more edge to it and, I do admit, I also think it shows a sharp insight on your part. "Semi-good-naturely," indeed!
Clarence!! Take Me Back, Clarence!!!
As Mister Potter had
No friends or wife.
George Bailey fought him most
Showed Bedford Falls It's a
Glisten!! Glisten!! Oh my, I am proud of this one!
A gem! A bulls-eye! An A+!!
As former queen I must put my two cents in. I don't think it's A+. It's good, but could be better. I have a problem with "George Bailey found him most uncompromisingly" That doesn't make any sense. George Bailey could fnd him "egomaniacal" or "kleptomaniacal" (perfect meter/flow) since the definition of that is "Obsessive impulse to steal regardless of economic need." Because he did find the $8000 that Uncle Billy lost and he kept it and he sure didn't need that money. But I run on...
The former QHS
CJ: Why ask for help especially from the Brits? Because, as you say, "They may have their unique historical perspective on the events outlined." He's their guy, after all.
CJ's Wonderful life: wonderful job there!
To Kalleh: Now please, hon. I enjoy imperfection, and I'm greatful you can enjoy less-than-perfect me. And vice versa. As Robert Herrick wrote,
Shufitz, I live with you. I know how you like absolute perfection in your double dactyls. That's all. You can tolerate imperfection in limericks, though you always have suggestions for improvement! But, no, your DDs need to be perfect. End of story.
CJ, I did love your Wonderful Life DD.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by C J Strolin:
I have a problem with "George Bailey found him most uncompromisingly" _If you have a problem, oh, former beloved Queen, I suspect it would be less with George Bailey and more with your eyesight. That's "fought," not "found."_
Because he did find the $8000 that Uncle Billy lost _I seem to recall it as $_3_,000. Is our memory faltering as well?_
Wow.... Boy, am I embarrassed! That's what I get for signing on while buzzed. Another linguistic victim of alcohol imbibition. You, dear CJ, are obviously rght on both counts. I'm so sorry I doubted your A+ness.
I totally agree. The score in a perfect game in bowling is 300. You manage a 299 and, I'm sorry, it's not a perfect game. Double dactyls are, by design, perfect. As such, the slightest imperfection results, ultimately, in abject failure.
With my Mister Rogers DD, I knew I was breaking the rule with the line "Mister Fred Rogers was" but it simply couldn't be helped. I still love that piece but were you to put a gun to my head and demand the total truth, I couldn't identify it as anything more than a failed DD. If only his last name could have been "Robinson"!
I cannot tell you how many times I have wanted to write DDs about somebody's name who didn't fit. Shufitz calmly says, "No, Hon. Doesn't work. Don't push it." Now that I am in Washington DC, I may "push" it a bit! I am desperately trying to do one about Florence Nightingale, to whom I will give a middle initial (I can predict Shufitz's frown now!)
Point is--Shufitz just wouldn't have written the Mr. Rogers DD.
Florence C. Nightingale
Nursed in Crimean War,
Aiding the Brits.
Lessons to nurses are
Nursing professors are
Pulling their tits.
Ahem! I know, this is not very respectful. However, there are thoughts now that it is because of good old Flo that nurses have become "handmaidens" of physicians. Yet, I do not deny that she was an amazing lady who really founded nursing and even nursing research. She very carefully recorded the data from the Crimean War. Still, she is the reason nurses began to study under doctors and in hospitals, rather than in universities.
While you were out left a
Message quite terse:
You are affected by
You're not the center of
[ If at first (third?) you don't succeed ... quit! Don't make a fool of yourself ]
[This message was edited by jerry thomas on Tue Mar 25th, 2003 at 8:54.]
Here's Another One Shufitz Would Never Write
Florence Q. Nightingale
Visited Kalleh with
"Feel free to write dactyls
"Middle initials are
"OK by me!"
A "B+" plus an additional half a grade for the coining of "unShufitzisticly" plus another half a grade for precision targeting - the writing of a piece which Kalleh will like but which will made Shufitz mumble under his breath. All in all, an "A".
(Heh, heh, heh!)
Funny story about that. I am now in Savannah so I called Shufitz and read my DD to him. He said, "Did you at least have the right initial?" It pains me to say I didn't. However, I dociley explained to him that I did go to several Web sites to find the middle initial, but couldn't. Interestingly, one of those Web sites had a forum where people post about Flo. Would they have a fit if they saw my DD!
One comment about your "A", CJ. What about the meter in your 4th line?
BTW, I give myself a B because of errors with the middle initial, no "the" in the third line, "ultraconservative" is not quite the right word--and it is a bit too risque.
[This message was edited by Kalleh on Tue Mar 25th, 2003 at 16:49.]
Miss Margaret M. Mitchell
Wrote of the Southland, where
Cotton was ginned
Miss Scarlett O'Hara
The Lady from Tara
Gone with the wind
[This message was edited by jerry thomas on Fri Mar 28th, 2003 at 14:53.]
What about the fourth line? "GHOST-ly de-CREE," or maybe you're not pronouncing the "L" in "ghostly" and that's throwing you off somehow? And was there any comment from hubby? It's not every day that a person is transformed into an adverb...
I was out of town for 8 days so I am sure you can understand that when Shufitz and I got together, we did not discuss your double dactyls!
I had the line wrong. I was wondering about the meter of the fifth line:
"Feel free to write dactyls"
John Greenleaf Whittier
Sharing his genuine
Feelings of joy
Turning up pantaloons
Wading in happiness
"The Barefoot Boy"
Recommends men to some
Women who seek
Love, somewhat fearfully.
Is he a geek?
I promised you!
Kalleh the poetess
Contemplates men and asks,
"Is he a geek?"
Kindly display greater
Keep me anonymous.
-- hic et ubique
Aw, Hic, nobody on this forum is a geek! I'd be proud to recommend you to some wonderful woman.
Hoot of Augusta golf
Women from play.
Women are pressuring
Hootie to stop living
Back in the day.
Artifacts taken bring
Tears to our eyes.
Writing were started here.
Say our good-byes.
Putin shared secrets with
Decades of trusting to
Gone down the drain.
Former POW warmer now
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Captured in Nasinyah
Who would have thought that her
Hometown is Palestine
Far from Iraq
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[This message was edited by jerry thomas on Sun May 18th, 2003 at 12:21.]
(Otherwise, an "A")
Boy, I am on the wrong page then for double dactyls--par for the course. By the mere definition "double dactyl", I would think the meter needs to be perfect. "Tim Leary, PhD", at least in the way I pronounce it, just doesn't meet those standards. Now--I realize that TrossL is very talented, and I truly don't mean to criticize her. However, your grade of A confuses me; I'd say "solid 'B'". Perhaps I am mispronouncing the name. After all, CJ, I know you to be a perfectionist because of your stand on rhymes.
Clearly CJ normally impeccable judgement is affected by a perfectly natural bias favoring TrossL.
CJ, did you ever consider becoming an Olympic judge of women's figure skating?
Speaking of birth control
Thus does advise:
"If you're not gifted with
Ralph Waldo Emerson
From the book shelf
Says we can live
Depend not on others.
Do it yourself.
Great one, Hic!
TrossL and CJS
Post their great poems for us,
and they connect.
Jerry, that is suberb! Fine form; insightful in comment, and with a creative twist in the first line that works both as nonsense-sylabble and as content.
My hat is off to you.
Thanks, shufits. Your comment means a lot to me.
First of all, let me make myself perfectly clear, I love Jerry's double dactyl.
However, once again I have a technical question. Shufitz, Shufitz, Shufitz, you were my teacher. What about lines 5 & 7? Is it okay to have 4 syllables in line 5? Secondly, is the meter correct in line 7? Or--because of the strength of the content, are you allowing the freedom? I do agree the content is wonderful, and that is where I seem to falter sometimes. And, I know, Shufitz hates my last one because the second part doesn't have a complete sentence. Sheeesh!
Anyone out there interested? How about using "Shufitz Perfectionist"?
You're probably right about the imperfecton of my emersonian DD, Kalleh, but don't take it out on Shufits!!
I'm guilty of having believed that line five must have four syllables, not six.
Here's a second attempt. Perhaps this will raise my deplorable grade-point average. Maybe not.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
From the book shelf
Tells us to write our stuff
Don't trust in others. Just
Do it yourself.
Motor Lord Henry Ford
Used just four cylinders
All lined up straight
"Otherwise, I could have
Had a Vee Eight!"
[This message was edited by jerry thomas on Fri Apr 18th, 2003 at 15:31.]
Aw, come on guys. This is the second time this week we have had complaints about spelling/typing errors. As they say on Sesame Street: "Everyone makes mistakes so why can't I?"
As they say on Sesame Street: "Everyone makes mistakes so why can't I?"
quote:Come to think of it, I guess you can! Maybe you need some grandchildren around the house to refresh your memory.
Oh, thanks, Shufitz for finding that. I have always loved that song as it is so true to life.
And, I am sure no one here would ever believe me to be old enough to be a grandmother! So there!
Not so, but Kalleh brings up a good point.
Yes, I am very much a stickler for preciseness when it comes to rhyming BUT, on the other hand, I freely admit to being more flexible when it comes to meter especially concerning poetic formats which are firmly established and well known. Since we know that the stress of the first line of a double dactyl is "DAH-da-da DAH-da-da," is seems OK to me to start out one with "TIM leary P hd" even though this is certainly not how I would pronounce it in normal conversation.
You're right though, Kalleh. To receive an "A" (if we're going to go back to friendly grading again, though that's another debate altogether) a double dactyl really should have its meter set in such a way as to be perfectly recitable as if one were speaking normally.
Regarding my supposed bias towards TrossL, the fact that I consider most of her writing to be infinitely superior to most of the rest of what is posted here (including, alas, my own humble contributions) has nothing to do with me knowing her personally some 15 years ago. Her stuff is just damn good! I also consider almost everything that Hic et Ubique and Museamuse write to be of the highest quality - now if we could only increase the quantity a bit!
And Shufitz, Please!! You establish yourself as a perfectionist and then heap praise upon one of J.T.'s (let's be kind here) lesser efforts? I can't help but think that this was an attempt to provoke an outraged response from me. I choose not to rise to that bait.
quote:No, I don't think that is true at all, though I realize that I am treading on perilously thin ice myself here--since Shufitz is my husband! However, Shufitz is not that type at all; he never goads people as others sometimes do on this site.
This is a sensitive subject because it seems that I (or whoever) am questioning certain people's talent--and that's not the case. I prefer for this to be a scholarly discussion, rather than pokes and prods at people. I cannot agree with you that meter in double dactyls shouldn't be perfect, considering the essence of a double-dactyl. I especially find this curious when you are so bent on perfect rhymes in limericks, of all things.
Further, I think we can all freely admit that love of poetry, limericks, double dactyls, art, whatever--is in the eye of the beholder. While, certainly there is a difference between Monet and some amateur artist, those kind of disparities in talent don't exist on this board. You prefer some of the double dactyls, and I prefer others--though I am not going to highlight those authors whom I prefer. I would rather just enjoy the double dactyls and leave it at that. When we drool over some and say nothing about others, well, it can't help but be offensive. Sorry, that's just my opinion.